GO AHEAD BASH THE MILITARY AND THE TEACHERS !!!

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caseyFgriffin

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electricpawn

Maybe some music will help.

 

kco

we are friendly, where the personal attack, don't see any. religious, political but we are talking about military. illegal ? you are allow to join up the army perfectly legal. 

MAttos_12

Teachers can only work in the system that they are placed.  The problem is that the system allows bad teachers to continue to teach, as opposed to firing them.

In the UK the percentage of failing teachers that are fired is really shockingly low, and the assesment process is a bit suspect.  So, really one might at least hope that the bennifit stucture was more conducive to better teaching

trysts
MsJean wrote:

As for Sharon...Hey GF!!! I leave the house for the evening and you go nuts. Look you have them all at your feet ,screamimg your name,begging you to stop..(Well someone was screaming Kevins name , while he was defending yours, but  he is gender challenged where you're concerned).They are glued to the keyboard awaiting your next text :)

You're amazing !  Keep on texting  Tryst...Sharon..him..she whatever 


Hmmm...This is not a subject that I find pleasure in. It's irritating reading mindless reverence for the U.S. military, and it's sickening place in the world today. Why would the U.S. stop invading countries when U.S. citizens voluntarily sign up to be brainwashed in boot camp, then become willing pawns for immoral "leaders"? Obviously, the government/corporations have contol over the most powerful media outlets, so suppressing dissent, or marginalizing real criticism is easy for them. Protests are ignored, and the protesters herded into "Free speech zones". Elections are a joke. Continuing to sign up for service in this country, is entirely against peace. It's criminal.

cookie3

I am a veteran of the U.S. Army.  My father served, my uncle died in Vietnam, my grandfather served in WWII, became one of few to rise from NCO to 1st Lt., my great uncle passed in WWII, My great-grandfather served in WWI.

Tryst, I ask you politely, are you saying my family is a bunch of criminals?  My uncle died serving this country.  Your arrogance and ignorance is dumbfounding!  Name one other country in the world where their leaders are pristine.  Do you believe Russia, or China, or any other nation has not committed atrocities in the name of greed?  Would you have preferred to be under Nazi rule?  Or how about in a country where you would have been arrested for stating what you just posted?  Nah, you arrogantly type on your keyboard, casting stones wherever and at whomever you please, while not caring who you offend or hurt!  Boy, aren't we all so lucky to have someone like you spouting off with hurtful remarks. 

So, I will ask again:  please name for me one country, whether in the past or present, that has not committed atrocities in the name of greed?  Just one! Tick, tick, tick......I'll be waiting for your answer while you continue to hurl those hurtful stones of yours.

electricpawn

Continuing to blame soldiers for the acts of politicians because the military is volunteer is a specious argument. If young people stop volunteering, they will be conscripted.

The invasion of Iraq was a horrible mistake. We were given muliple reasons for the invasion none of which were true. The Bush administration has repeatedly stated that they were using the best intelligence available, but they were only using intelligence that supported a the goal of the neocons - most prominently Rummy and Chaney - a goal that was articulated long before W was in office: the invasion of Iraq.

Iraq was a failed oil grab. Ignoring military advice, the Bush administration went in with too few troops to establish order, the primary goal of a miltary occupation.With several internal and external factions in Iraq, the result was an unleashing of Hell. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died needlessly. Strategically, the weakening of Iraq has been a disaster. Iran, a country that is a much greater threat to us, is much stronger and is emboldened without Iraq to keep them in check.

None of this can be blamed on our brave military men and women, and its shameful and naive to think that the fact that we have a volunteer army makes our service men and women complicit with the sick, twisted neocon agenda.

trysts
cookie3 wrote:

I am a veteran of the U.S. Army.  My father served, my uncle died in Vietnam, my grandfather served in WWII, became one of few to rise from NCO to 1st Lt., my great uncle passed in WWII, My great-grandfather served in WWI.

Tryst, I ask you politely, are you saying my family is a bunch of criminals?  My uncle died serving this country.  Your arrogance and ignorance is dumbfounding!  Name one other country in the world where their leaders are pristine.  Do you believe Russia, or China, or any other nation has not committed atrocities in the name of greed?  Would you have preferred to be under Nazi rule?  Or how about in a country where you would have been arrested for stating what you just posted?  Nah, you arrogantly type on your keyboard, casting stones wherever and at whomever you please, while not caring who you offend or hurt!  Boy, aren't we all so lucky to have someone like you spouting off with hurtful remarks. 

So, I will ask again:  please name for me one country, whether in the past or present, that has not committed atrocities in the name of greed?  Just one! Tick, tick, tick......I'll be waiting for your answer while you continue to hurl those hurtful stones of yours.


"Hurtful stones"? You're hurt? You are? What the hell do you think happens in Afghanistan today? People get to wake up over there, and hope their families aren't burned alive, shot to pieces, or mangled by bombs, simply because they actually do have a terrorist problem over there; the U.S. military are their terrorists. You can count on the U.S. military to slaughter dozens, if not hundreds of people today. For what? Minerals? Oil? Poppy? To protect some corporations' interests? Or, maybe the people in the occupied countries want to get rid of the invaders, so they attack a supplies convoy, or somebody has endured the U.S. nightmare long enough, so they attach a bomb to themselves today. So now some jackass in Utah fires missiles from a drone into a village, murdering everyone. You like this? You think it's protecting us from something? You're hurt? You are? What I'm typing is "arrogance"? Grow up.

KeViN246

so, sharon isnt a guys name. yall sure? wasnt this thing about teachers?

Streptomicin

I read page 1 only and I am posting, so I'm sry if I missed something.

I hate to do this, but I have to agree with trysts. Don't mix WW2 with events during and after cold war.

Every war is a mistake, and your gov. just seems to be easy on the trigger. 

The money you spend on army, and for wars?!! Pfff, you could build a new country from nothing every year.

trysts
electricpawn wrote:

Continuing to blame soldiers for the acts of politicians because the military is volunteer is a specious argument. If young people stop volunteering, they will be conscripted.

The invasion of Iraq was a horrible mistake. We were given muliple reasons for the invasion none of which were true. The Bush administration has repeatedly stated that they were using the best intelligence available, but they were only using intelligence that supported a the goal of the neocons - most prominently Rummy and Chaney - a goal that was articulated long before W was in office: the invasion of Iraq.

Iraq was a failed oil grab. Ignoring military advice, the Bush administration went in with too few troops to establish order, the primary goal of a miltary occupation.With several internal and external factions in Iraq, the result was an unleashing of Hell. Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis died needlessly. Strategically, the weakening of Iraq has been a disaster. Iran, a country that is a much greater threat to us, is much stronger and is emboldened without Iraq to keep them in check.

None of this can be blamed on our brave military men and women, and its shameful and naive to think that the fact that we have a volunteer army makes our service men and women complicit with the sick, twisted neocon agenda.


Yours is a "specious" argument. 'If they don't join, they'll be drafted', makes no sense. Who joins for that reason? 'Kill people or we'll put you in prison'. That is not a difficult choice to make for human beings with the ability to feel sympathy for other human beings.

And Iran doesn't threaten us. That's just absurd.

trysts
Streptomicin wrote:

I read page 1 only and I am posting, so I'm sry if I missed something.

I hate to do this, but I have to agree with trysts. Don't mix WW2 with events during and after cold war.

Every war is a mistake, and your gov. just seems to be easy on the trigger. 

The money you spend on army, and for wars?!! Pfff, you could build a new country from nothing every year.


This country could have been wonderful, for sure. It isn't. It's a nightmare.

Deranged

There's only so much money you can spend on military until you get to the stage where you are practically asking for more wars.

If the US spent less money on military, they might be able to improve their space program by supporting NASA with more money.

Danny_BLT
trysts wrote:
themothman wrote:

How's your german trysts?  Get rid of the military, no one ever thought of that one.  While we're at it, let's completely ignore the terrorists.


Get rid of the military? How's my German? I don't know what you're trying to say. The U.S. military is a volunteer force. People actually sign up for it to murder people across the ocean for complete lies. Iraq and Afghanistan has had millions of people suffer simply because people in this country sign up to do the bidding of very sick people in this government who do not care about you, me, or any of the people they harm. This could not happen if people stopped signing up for "duty". Ten long years of this horror. There is really no excuse not to know it is wrong and based on lies. That ridiculous propaganda: "Stop the Wars. Support our Troops", is an absurd contradiction.


or they sign up to try an do something positve with there lives. i'm sure they aren't all blood sucking murderers! i'm sure there is a whole host of reasons why peope join the army, navy ect. seems to me that people in america don't really need to join the army to kill people, pretty hight domestic murder rate over there as it is. in my opinion countries ike the US an Britain are doing what they have always done. looking out for themselves at the cost of others. thats probably why you're an the vast majority of US citizens are even on the continent now. things don't change over night, or in a few hundred years. survival of the fittest, the same as it always has been.

UVF02368

People like to kill each other.

Streptomicin
Deranged wrote:

There's only so much money you can spend on military until you get to the stage where you are practically asking for more wars.

If the US spent less money on military, they might be able to improve their space program by supporting NASA with more money.


+1

Its hard to expand arms industry without new wars.

rafula

you all forgot the chess play,while discussing wars,terrorism and so on

rafula

you all forgot the chess play,while discussing wars,terrorism and so on

MAttos_12

Ok, so arn't people like trysts in danger of a rather silly simplification?  

We live in states, it is the responsibility of those states to protect their own people, and none others.  It is no concern of the American government if forgieners die, so long as American security is maintained.  War is a necessary and often effective method of doing this.

What rational, moral, American government would betray its own people in preference for others that it has no responsibility for?  

MAttos_12
cookie3 wrote:

I am a veteran of the U.S. Army.  My father served, my uncle died in Vietnam, my grandfather served in WWII, became one of few to rise from NCO to 1st Lt., my great uncle passed in WWII, My great-grandfather served in WWI.

Tryst, I ask you politely, are you saying my family is a bunch of criminals?  My uncle died serving this country.  Your arrogance and ignorance is dumbfounding!  Name one other country in the world where their leaders are pristine.  Do you believe Russia, or China, or any other nation has not committed atrocities in the name of greed?  Would you have preferred to be under Nazi rule?  Or how about in a country where you would have been arrested for stating what you just posted?  Nah, you arrogantly type on your keyboard, casting stones wherever and at whomever you please, while not caring who you offend or hurt!  Boy, aren't we all so lucky to have someone like you spouting off with hurtful remarks. 

So, I will ask again:  please name for me one country, whether in the past or present, that has not committed atrocities in the name of greed?  Just one! Tick, tick, tick......I'll be waiting for your answer while you continue to hurl those hurtful stones of yours.


Your family would be criminals in terms of domestic law and morality, something which has no pertinance to international relations.  I suspect our friend does not realise this.