Back when I worked at the Canadian Army's Tactics School, we had some fun guns...
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I have a Butterfly Garden in my backyard, but still take my Ruger Security-Six to the pistol range to cut targets. My Ruger's a bit smaller than the (phallic) Canadian gun pictured above. Ha!
Too bad @MEXI looks to be on vacation. Here's sorely missed in this thread.
Dec 15, 2021
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#504
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Baptist, and a patriot. What an archetypically American concoction.
That seems very much like stereotyping to me. Personally I'm sick of foreigners who lump all or almost all Americans into categories such as loud, poorly educated, crass, bigoted, arrogant, unfriendly, stupid, jingoistic, etc.
Also, you misunderstood my username. I am a Baptist who is also an American patriot. However, since I could not put all that into my username, I simply shortened it to @Baptistpatriot.
As a side note, the Lord Jesus Christ is not a "dead Jew", He is the risen Saviour. However, since this is the open forum, I will refrain from saying anything on the subject other than the above statement.
Baptistpatriot wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:
Baptistpatriot wrote:
He was found innocent on all charges by a jury of his peers. According to the evidence, any other verdict would have been a gross miscarriage of justice. Was what he did leading up to the self defense situation wise? Maybe not. Was it legal? Yes. Was he at fault? No. Will what he did, though justified, haunt him for the rest of his life? Yes. It is an unimaginable thing to be forced to take a human life, even in defense of your own life. So I say, let the matter rest AL.
forced? he was not forced to go to wisconsin.
I suggest you read my whole post before you take one phrase out of context just to attempt to prove a moot point. The fact of the matter is, it happened, and he was forced to shoot someone in self defense. And if you think that he should be prosecuted for going somewhere of his own free will, then you are a nut. It's that simple.
pot, meet kettle. i took nothing out of context. you bums that can't read force me to be redundant, unfortunately.
i have not mentioned politics, the prosecution, the jury, or any part of the trial. i'm pointing out how stupid it is to attempt to connect the dots of him going to wisconsin, getting a gun, and then going to a riot as him being forced to shoot and kill.
it is you and your cohort that have a lack of reading comprehension and choose to put words in other people's mouths.
you can apologize now.
AlCzervik wrote:
[edited moderator SB]
perhaps a bit too far for the public forums. sorry about that.
Baptistpatriot wrote:
Personally I'm sick of foreigners who lump all or almost all Americans into categories such as loud, poorly educated, crass, bigoted, arrogant, unfriendly, stupid, jingoistic, etc.
sometimes, the shoe fits.
(i'm not saying you are one, but you know there are many exactly as you describe)
AND ... Just go to France, (as an American tourist) and take too many (daily) showers. The French will (eventually) give you a piece of their minds about wasting their water.
Oh, Those Crass Americans?? Who would have thunk it? Ha!
I went to Bogota, Colombia instead. Everything was cheaper. Thank the Lord.
Dec 16, 2021
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#510
AlCzervik wrote:
Baptistpatriot wrote:
Personally I'm sick of foreigners who lump all or almost all Americans into categories such as loud, poorly educated, crass, bigoted, arrogant, unfriendly, stupid, jingoistic, etc.
sometimes, the shoe fits.
(i'm not saying you are one, but you know there are many exactly as you describe)
That shoe will fit not only some Americans, but some people all over the world, in every country, It has to do with countries being populated by imperfect and finite human beings.
Dec 16, 2021
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#511
AlCzervik wrote:
Baptistpatriot wrote:
AlCzervik wrote:
Baptistpatriot wrote:
He was found innocent on all charges by a jury of his peers. According to the evidence, any other verdict would have been a gross miscarriage of justice. Was what he did leading up to the self defense situation wise? Maybe not. Was it legal? Yes. Was he at fault? No. Will what he did, though justified, haunt him for the rest of his life? Yes. It is an unimaginable thing to be forced to take a human life, even in defense of your own life. So I say, let the matter rest AL.
forced? he was not forced to go to wisconsin.
I suggest you read my whole post before you take one phrase out of context just to attempt to prove a moot point. The fact of the matter is, it happened, and he was forced to shoot someone in self defense. And if you think that he should be prosecuted for going somewhere of his own free will, then you are a nut. It's that simple.
pot, meet kettle. i took nothing out of context. you bums that can't read force me to be redundant, unfortunately.
i have not mentioned politics, the prosecution, the jury, or any part of the trial. i'm pointing out how stupid it is to attempt to connect the dots of him going to wisconsin, getting a gun, and then going to a riot as him being forced to shoot and kill.
it is you and your cohort that have a lack of reading comprehension and choose to put words in other people's mouths.
you can apologize now.
We are not talking about the decisions leading up to the moment of the shooting, we are talking about the moment of the shooting. In that moment, he was forced to kill or be killed, and anyone with a brain would easily be able to comprehend that.
As far as his actions leading up to that moment go: in hindsight, going to an area that was in a riot even with good intentions such as cleanup, first aid, and defense of property, was not the wisest of plans. However, no human can see the future. He couldn't have known what was going to happen to him, so stop making the logical fallacy of not seeing things from his point of view.
Need I mention that in addition to the rifle he also had on his person a first aid kit, which he had already used several times prior to the incident to help injured rioters.
" we are talking about the moment of the shooting. In that moment, he was forced to kill or be killed". I'm not so sure I agree with that. If I'm angry and armed, I can mame someone pretty good to where the're not a threat anymore.
Dec 16, 2021
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#514
Ok Then! Thanks for all the new posts...good discussion from what i've read.
Suuuure you can Ronald.
How exactly you going to do that?
How exactly you going to do that?
Dec 16, 2021
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#516
UnclePeet wrote:
Suuuure you can Ronald.
How exactly you going to do that?
How exactly you going to do that?
Some of you people have no experience in hand to hand of self defense
I’ve taught both police and the military and there is no WAY, under a stressful situation, that a cop or YOU are going to do something like shoot an angry advancing person in the leg or arm with any sense of dependability.
You aren’t John Wick.
If a person has a blade, and is intent on driving that blade into you, you are in MORTAL DANGER if that person is within 20 feet and you haven’t already drawn your weapon.
You might think this is wrong but I can assure you it has been practiced TENS OF THOUSANDS of times by law enforcement.
The perp is going to sprint at you. If you are the best of the best you will remain poised and able to draw and fire your weapon accurately, and his inertia will still take him into you where he will stab you multiple times before succumbing.
Only luck stops one of those stabs from being your heart or your eye or your jugular.
Real life isn’t a movie.
I’ve taught both police and the military and there is no WAY, under a stressful situation, that a cop or YOU are going to do something like shoot an angry advancing person in the leg or arm with any sense of dependability.
You aren’t John Wick.
If a person has a blade, and is intent on driving that blade into you, you are in MORTAL DANGER if that person is within 20 feet and you haven’t already drawn your weapon.
You might think this is wrong but I can assure you it has been practiced TENS OF THOUSANDS of times by law enforcement.
The perp is going to sprint at you. If you are the best of the best you will remain poised and able to draw and fire your weapon accurately, and his inertia will still take him into you where he will stab you multiple times before succumbing.
Only luck stops one of those stabs from being your heart or your eye or your jugular.
Real life isn’t a movie.
"I’ve taught both police and the military"..... Oh god, another ExploringWA
In another thread you were a big rig driver..... Let me guess, you do brain surgery part-time also, right? Law enforcement will be the 1st to tell you they don't aim to kill.....just take him down. If you have to shoot out both legs, so be it.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. It’s amusing sometimes but sad others.
Yes I was a truck driver…what does that have to do with anything?
You sure you’re thinking properly?
I’ve done martial arts for more than 30 years. I’ve taught both police and military. I’ve fought 3 times. I’ve boxed at Gleasons boxing gym in Brooklyn. I hold multiple black belts.
I just competed in NAGA’s World Jiu Jitsu championship on December 4th in Dallas Texas.
YOU. DONT. KNOW. WHAT. YOU. ARE. TALKING. ABOUT.
Yes I was a truck driver…what does that have to do with anything?
You sure you’re thinking properly?
I’ve done martial arts for more than 30 years. I’ve taught both police and military. I’ve fought 3 times. I’ve boxed at Gleasons boxing gym in Brooklyn. I hold multiple black belts.
I just competed in NAGA’s World Jiu Jitsu championship on December 4th in Dallas Texas.
YOU. DONT. KNOW. WHAT. YOU. ARE. TALKING. ABOUT.
If u turn ur weapons into plows u WILL plow for those that don't. It's always been that way throughout history. Everywhere.