...and also, we somehow don't understand that different cultures develop at different rates. So here in the West, we also had our time when women had to cover up, treating women and non-whites like property, slavery etc. How could we be wagging our fingers when not too long ago we were doing the same thing?
I will NOT wear a hijab
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Oct 16, 2016
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#203
Not, sure.. if you're referring, primarily, to the 'hijab' {minor}, chess 'tempest'.. Or, the much more, Negatively, consequential - Re. our, 'IN YOUR FACE'.. world-wide, foriegn policy!?
Pulpofeira wrote:
jesterville escribió:
So how come no one is talking about the Catholic Church forcing nuns to wear this in 2016?
I could spend a whole day talking trash about Catholic Church, based only on my experience.
Personally, i don't think it is limited to just the Catholics. It seems a rather ironic statement but 'exoteric religion's inhumanity to humans' has a very dark history.
What infuriates me then is the moral high ground people try to stand on & justify the attocities commited by their belief system & arrogantly continue to try & force feed you with the fears, stemming from a system that was 'power driven' for centuries, in order to capitalise on people's insecurities.
Exploitive & they are still exploiting people, not only adults but........well, lets not go there.....you know what i mean.
Its ducking ugly & continues to be. Clean up your own house first, as a group/belief system, then start on yourself.
When that is pure......AND NOT BEFORE.....you might be ready......long way to go. But you have to walk the walk, talk is cheap, parroting even cheaper.
Lot of squaking parrots out there.......in all branches of exoteric religion across the board.
If you somehow managed to capture all the parrots - would there be a reduction in fear in the world?
every parrot i have met, spreads fear more than anything else they profess to believe in.
I am starting a 'cage the parrot' appeal, for a safer, less fearful & less dangerous world. 
Oct 16, 2016
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#206
" For, Many shall come, in My name.. Claiming to be, 'the Truth'..{in so many words}.. But, {paraphrasing, slightly}.. They speak Not, the Truth.. But, seek to deceive-and-destroy - And, are of their 'father' the, {word omitted}.
As for, me Not embodying.. Everything/many things.. that {you know who}, taught; I dare say, that, 'hypocritsy' is seen, in Numerous places, and examples.. Which, is distinctive.. from being, totally unqualified, from being a 'witness'.. if-you-will.
Waiting, to get our collective 'house' 'in order'.. Beforehand - Doesn't allow, for the 'human' element! .. And, I'm Not 'talking' about - 'Men-of-the-cloth'/ child molesters.
Oct 16, 2016
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#207
jesterville hat geschrieben:
Well, I think there was only one bid for the women's WCC...so there are not much options of choice. And of course, if you choose one country...you must abide by their rules...no matter what your personal views may be.
And exactly for that reason they should never have chosen such a third world country - but surely the bribes were too tempting ...
I would suggest that a general boycott by both MEN and women would be a far more effective message to FIDE than a womens rights petition.
There are two sides to the coin here, which makes me think a stand on personal principles would be a much more effective message than political posturing, ideaology, or religious diatriabe.
I'm sure there are women in Iran who would like to shed the Hijab for the negative connotation it has. There are also women in Iran who see nothing wrong with it. Iran's culture is it's own. As a guest of the country you should respect that. If you don't like it, don't go. If you decide to go and flaunt their laws, be prepared for the consequences. Don't expect us to start a war over this because you decided to check your brains in at the border crossing.
If Iran wants to become another "North Korea", and become a pariah amoung nations let them.
Oct 16, 2016
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#209
MikeCrockett hat geschrieben:
I would suggest that a general boycott by both MEN and women would be a far more effective message to FIDE than a womens rights petition.
There are two sides to the coin here, which makes me think a stand on personal principles would be a much more effective message than political posturing, ideaology, or religious diatriabe.
I'm sure there are women in Iran who would like to shed the Hijab for the negative connotation it has. There are also women in Iran who see nothing wrong with it. Iran's culture is it's own. As a guest of the country you should respect that. If you don't like it, don't go. If you decide to go and flaunt their laws, be prepared for the consequences. Don't expect us to start a war over this because you decided to check your brains in at the border crossing.
If Iran wants to become another "North Korea", and become a pariah amoung nations let them.
It is not the Iran to blame it is FIDE who failed. Even a half-wit like Ilyumzhinov should know that it is not acceptable for Western women to be forced to wear some stupid headpiece. All the imbeciles at FIDE who are responsible for giving the woman chess championship to Iran should be forced to resign from their functions on the spot.
Oct 16, 2016
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#210
It's More complicated, than women's, 'western' perceived, Lack of 'civil rights' in Iran, and much of the 'Arab' world!
In fact - Differing 'customs'.. As the reason, for the 'US' being in 'never ending' {word omitted}, in much of the 'world'.. Is like, talking about, the legacy, of "Michael Jackson's 'music - In explaining, why we're 'hated' so, in parts of the world! o:
Winnie_Pooh wrote: It is not the Iran to blame it is FIDE who failed. Even a half-wit like Ilyumzhinov should know that it is not acceptable for Western women to be forced to wear some stupid headpiece. All the imbeciles at FIDE who are responsible for giving the woman chess championship to Iran should be forced to resign from their functions on the spot.
And being a "western woman" is somehow superior to other women ?
You don't have to like what FIDE does. Just boycott the event and persuade the men to do the same.
The best way to show your displeasure is to hit them in the wallet by boycotting it. Make it an economic impact and you'll have made your point loud and clear....
Since the enlightenment period of the 18th century, which undermined the power of the church, paving the way & closely followed by the scientific revolution, approx a period of 266 yrs.
It would seem that we have made more advances in all areas of life than the previous 3,500 yrs of religeous history put together.
These are facts which can be verified.
Man's humanity to man far outstrips any type of divine intervention - the church had its day & fumbled its way through the dark ages after the fall of the Roman Empire, 5th - 15th century.
A 1,000 yr experimentation of relying on god, which produced what?
Apart from the misery, burning people, superstitious nonsense, witch hunting, fear mongering & grabbing people's land, I mean.
Some people despite it being the 21st century are still living in the dark ages where magical thinking, superstitious stupidity, morality & a monopoly on truth was once held by the church, now it is held by individuals who belong to a 12th century mind set.
Where would we be right now if it was not for the enlightenment period and scientific reasoning?
We would not be sat comfy in our homes typing on a keyboard........for a start.
Things are far from perfect that is for sure, but we have come a very long way in just over 250 yrs, because we were smart enough to break away from suppression by the church.
Oct 16, 2016
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#213
Nikprit hat geschrieben:
Since the enlightenment period of the 18th century, which undermined the power of the church, paving the way & closely followed by the scientific revolution, approx a period of 266 yrs.
It would seem that we have made more advances in all areas of life than the previous 3,500 yrs of religeous history put together.
These are facts which can be verified.
Man's humanity to man far outstrips any type of divine intervention - the church had its day & fumbled its way through the dark ages after the fall of the Roman Empire, 5th - 15th century.
A 1,000 yr experimentation of relying on god, which produced what?
Apart from the misery, burning people, superstitious nonsense, witch hunting, fear mongering & grabbing people's land, I mean.
Some people despite it being the 21st century are still living in the dark ages where magical thinking, superstitious stupidity, morality & a monopoly on truth was once held by the church, now it is held by individuals who belong to a 12th century mind set.
Where would we be right now if it was not for the enlightenment period and scientific reasoning?
We would not be sat comfy in our homes typing on a keyboard........for a start.
Things are far from perfect that is for sure, but we have come a very long way in just over 250 yrs, because we were smart enough to break away from suppression by the church.
+1 very precise wording, Nikprit 
Hmmm... doesn't sound to me like you really have advanced that much in the last 250 years.
An anti-religious, hate filled diatriabe, is just as prejudicial in attitude towards others as any other example you might give.
Oct 16, 2016
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#215
"Is There a {word omitted}, Basis.. For, the 'Common Good' "? ..{linked}
http://www.georgetowncollege.edu/cdal/files/2011/06/scott_shauf.pdf
MikeCrockett wrote:
Hmmm... doesn't sound to me like you really have advanced that much in the last 250 years.
An anti-religious, hate filled diatriabe, is just as prejudicial in attitude towards others as any other example you might give.
Post 233 is neither hate filled, anti religeous, nor prejudicial, it is however 'roughly' historically correct.
And neither is the piece targetted towards issues concerning Iran right now.
The person this is targetted at - knows this.
You have come in & are making a lot of assumptions based upon your own projections right now Mike. Let's leave it at that, if you don't mind.
Oct 16, 2016
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#217
We ALL have our assorted 'assumptions'.. 'projections'.. views & opinions.. {regardless, of 'objectivity'}.. Which is ALWAYS, 'In-the-eyes-of-the-beholder'{s}, in Any event.. And, those who except themselves, from that, reality.. Are merely, partially ignorant. o:
@nitpik - It doesn't matter which religious, political or scientific institution you prefer to provide as an example - the fundamental human element is the same in ALL institutions.
If the human element is the same, so too are the benefits and the abuses of each. One system is not superior to the other, nor is a person "evil" or "backward" for prefering to follow one system over the other.
On the one hand you choose to point the finger at the church for the dark ages. There is probably a lot of truth to that. But you did not apply the same standard of critisim to the scientific field. Are we to say the invention of the atomic bomb is a blessing of scientific achievement? No. I think not. That was an artifact of war and the human failings that create it.
Does science benefit us? Yes, no question.
So too with religion. It's no different. Most people will tell you that it's not the religion (as an institution) that matters. It's how you live out your faith and apply it to your everyday personal life that matters. To paint a religious person as being backward and evil is simply wrong.
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note to self: avoid any further talks with fundamentalists in the future from ALL religions {except a couple of buddies who do not push their ideas onto me out of mutual respect}
Oct 17, 2016
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#220
Nobody does hypocrisy quite like the West.
This is not to condone what happens in Iran, but at least the Iranians don't seek to impose their social, political and economic order on the rest of the world, and often with the use of extreme violence.
Not like some other countries we might mention, eh?
This is not to condone what happens in Iran, but at least the Iranians don't seek to impose their social, political and economic order on the rest of the world, and often with the use of extreme violence.
Not like some other countries we might mention, eh?
Well, we seem to see everything wrong with certain cultures in the East, but seem to be blinded by similar behavious right here all around us.