If the universe requires a creator then the creator should require a creator = religion is made-up
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Are you saying Jesus wasn't a man? He was actually a woman?!? Just kidding. Do you believe in Adam and Eve? Just wondering.
Sep 5, 2015
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#463
2travel wrote:
ilikecapablanca wrote:
2travel wrote:
ninabean502 wrote:
2travel: I am denying the existence of God because I have researched many religions, where they came from, how they were created. The facts that I have learned clearly point to the fact that there isn't God. I am not a religion expert, nowhere close, but if you get a history book that is unbiased about all religions, it has more facts about different religions that wouldn't be in books that support only one religion. So don't say I'm primitive. Anyway, I thought religions are all about being nice, right? So calling me primitive would go against your religion, am I right?
Did you research Jesus and where he came from?
He was a Jew, teaching a reformed version of Judaism.
Men are about religion
Jesus is about the true God, life, love, hope and eternity.
Dont confuse Jesus with religion
Ookay. You asked whether we knew where Jesus came from and what he did. We answered.
I thought Jesus said ,"Do good to your neighbor,"?
Sep 5, 2015
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#465
2travel wrote:
ninabean502 wrote:
And 2travel, you never answered my question, isn't calling me primitive against your religion?
Definitely not. Jesus my Lord is about truth, not simply being nice to anyone.
Except that he IS about being nice. Where is the merit in Christianity at all if it doesn't teach you to be nice?
Umm.. No it isn't. You just said Jesus was your lord and now you are saying that he is superficial.
Sep 5, 2015
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#469
ninabean502 wrote:
I thought Jesus said ,"Do good to your neighbor,"?
The greatest good is speaking the truth to your neighbour, not just being nice
Well I'm not primitive so you weren't truthful or nice.
gopher_the_throat wrote:
Concerning chessterd5’s post I find it necessary to make a few corrections. First, I fixed most of his typos. But I also wish to comment on his inaccurate presentation of data. I am doing this to show that not all of us who are on the “creationist” side totally lack scientific knowledge. That sort of misrepresentation makes us all look bad. So here goes . . .
“There is no concrete evidence of evolution from DNA sequencing. The human race has NEVER created a simple amino acid in a laboratory environment AND SUSTAINED IT! That’s just the tip of the iceberg, my understanding is that there are eight (8) essential amino proteins to create life as we know it.”
You are wrong. There are 23 known amino acids found in the living organisms we know of. 20 would be enough if we only look at eukaryotes (organisms with nucleated cells). I’m not sure what you mean by “amino proteins”. There are hundreds of different amino acids. The 20 I refer to above are called “standard amino acids”. They are protienogenic (protein building). In life, thousand of proteins are formed from amino acid peptide chains.
“. If we can't do it in a controlled laboratory environment with EXTREME intervention & manipulation by persons who are ALREADY predisposed to acquiring the answer that they want to begin with, why would you believe that it happened "naturally" in a viotale (sic - do you mean “volatile?) & uncontrolled environment.”
Wrong again. We have been synthesizing amino acids since at least 1953. This gets a little beyond my specific knowledge, so I copy and paste: “Amino acids can be synthesized in the laboratory by application of the Gabriel synthesis (potassium phthalate + α-halo acids) or the Strecker synthesis (condensation of aldehyde, ammonia, and HCN, followed by acidic hydrolysis of the intermediate α-amino nitrile). The racemic amino acids thus obtained can be resolved by acylation and subsequent enzymatic deacylation.This route provides both (S) and (R) amino acids. Alternatively, direct asymmetric synthesis of either the (S) or the (R) enantiomer can be applied. The Monsanto process uses the Rhodium catalyzed hydrogenation of achiral N-acetyl dehydroamin.”
“This means that those unguided natural processes you are referring to had to do it WITHOUT help not once, eight (or 20) INDIVIDUALISTIC times & ARRANGE themselves? There’s another way. Genesis chapter 1.”
I agree, it seems improbable. Devoted evolutionists think that in view of the immense size of the universe and the 14.5 billion year allowance for time they can account for random formation of the necessary complex biochemical composition of life. Just having all the necessary subcomponents doesn’t bring inanimate molecules to life.
Whew. I finally have had some time to spend showing that some of doubters have a scientific background. My apologies to chessterd5. I hope you enjoy the corrections.
No apologies needed. You brought some valuable information to the discussion. The fact that the number of amino acids is 20 brings more truth to the idea that it would be virtually impossible to create life in the way evolution suggest. I was aware that we have been construting amino acids in the lab for awhile now. I should have chose my words more carefully. What I was trying to put emphasis on, was that I have read some grant reveiw papers that basicly talk about the fact that we can create the acids but we can't keep them for an indefinate period of time in a replicated enviroment that supposedly resembles what we believe the enviroment to be for these amino acids to form over along period of time as evolution suggests.
Sep 5, 2015
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#472
ninabean502 wrote:
Umm.. No it isn't. You just said Jesus was your lord and now you are saying that he is superficial.
Jesus is not superficial. But he was and is far more than only a Jew sprouting about Judaism. If that is the most you can say about Jesus then you havent even begun to scratch the surface of the truth about Jesus!
I know this is a little off topic but 2travel do you believe in Adam and Eve and Noah's Ark? And yes Jesus wasn't just a man spreading a different kind of Judaism. That's like saying I'm only a dancer. He did other things, he was a smart man, and he changed the world. But I just want to point out while I am talking about him that he died in September not December.
And you should read Christmas Redemption: Why Christains should Celebrate a Pagan Holiday. It would open your eyes a little.
evolutionist is used to distinguiosh between biologists who buy into Darwinian models as opposed tp biologists who lean toward creationism or intelligent design. You can't lump all biologists into one camp and you probably know that.
Let's trace it back from this topic if we would find anything reasonable:
(1) Who Created this thread?
Sep 5, 2015
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#477
One of the attributes of God is that He has always existed, even before the beginning of time. God is not bound by time. God did not have to be created because He is God. This is a difficult concept for humans with just a finite mind to understand, and they would rather just believe that the world was created by random chance than be morally accountable to God.
Sep 5, 2015
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#478
El_Principe123 wrote:
One of the attributes of God is that He has always existed, even before the beginning of time. God is not bound by time. God did not have to be created because He is God. This is a difficult concept for humans with just a finite mind to understand, and they would rather just believe that the world was created by random chance than be morally accountable to God.
" One of the attributes of God is that He has always existed, "
How do you know this ? Have you been with God every step of the way ?
..." even before the beginning of time. " Which was when ? When did time begin ?
" God is not bound by time. " Another one of his attributes ? You seem to know a lot about God.
" God did not have to be created because he is God. "
Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
" This is a difficult concept for humans with just a finite mind to understand...." Glad someone like yourself has kindly come along to enlighten us with your infinite intellect.
And what makes you think God is a " He " ?
This means God must have genitalia ?
Why would God / He need genitalia ?
What other " attributes " does God have ?
Sep 5, 2015
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#479
alex-rodriguez wrote:
"Why would God / He need genitalia ?"
It was so he could have his way with Mary.
The " Big Bang " ?
Americu wrote:
El_Principe123 wrote:
One of the attributes of God is that He has always existed, even before the beginning of time. God is not bound by time. God did not have to be created because He is God. This is a difficult concept for humans with just a finite mind to understand, and they would rather just believe that the world was created by random chance than be morally accountable to God.
" One of the attributes of God is that He has always existed, "
How do you know this ? Have you been with God every step of the way ?
..." even before the beginning of time. " Which was when ? When did time begin ?
" God is not bound by time. " Another one of his attributes ? You seem to know a lot about God.
" God did not have to be created because he is God. "
Yeah, that sounds reasonable.
" This is a difficult concept for humans with just a finite mind to understand...." Glad someone like yourself has kindly come along to enlighten us with your infinite intellect.
And what makes you think God is a " He " ?
This means God must have genitalia ?
Why would God / He need genitalia ?
What other " attributes " does God have ?
Again,the same nonsense. God doesn't have to prove anything. Human beings are obliged to take it on faith,or suffer the consequences.Simple. ;p
Hey, why not?
Glad you liked my suggestion