INTJ; The Worst Personality Type

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INFJ here. I don’t hate INTJs, but I do find some of their traits somewhat irritating and stressful to deal with in social situations.

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I don't understand: are those like zodiac signs?

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No. They are 8 different letters assigned in a group of 4 that all have a meaning to indicate a personality type. There are 16 personality types.

E - Extroverted
I- Introverted

N- Intuitive
S- Sensing

F- Feeling
T- Thinking

J- Judging
P- Perceiving

From each section, one is letter is assigned.
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Alright I understand now but the fuss about it seems to be the same

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Gawd sake stop bumping will yer ! 🙀
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Mate what are ye trying to say

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It's pretty funny that the OP went after INTJs (6 years ago...), since INTJ/P is rare among the populace at large but common among chessplayers. It's like going to ComicCon and insulting Iron Man.

Also, the pairing labels are not very accurate:

The questions break down into the 4 steps of how the human brain takes in information and then decides to act:

1. Where you focus your attention (how you pick your inputs) -> I or E

2. The way you take in information (how you process your inputs) -> N or S

3. The way you make decisions (how you make decisions/assign values) - T or F

4. How you deal with the external world (i.e. your outputs) -> J or P

The above is scientific. The Astrology-like interpretations people make from the Myers-Briggs tests are not.

For example...people think that "Thinking" vs. "Feeling" is some kind of black and white logic vs. emotions thing. It's not. T types tend to use logical analysis based on cause and effect. F types tend to use value judgments based on subjective considerations.

You can read about these distinctions here: https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/-/media/myers-briggs/files/sample-reports/smp261161.pdf

Extraversion

People who prefer Extraversion tend to focus on
the outer world of people and activity.

Introversion

People who prefer Introversion tend to focus on
the inner world of ideas and impressions.

Sensing

People who prefer Sensing tend to take in
information through the five senses and focus
on the here and now.

(i)Ntuition

People who prefer Intuition tend to take in
information from patterns and the big picture
and focus on future possibilities.

Thinking

People who prefer Thinking tend to make
decisions based primarily on logic and on
objective analysis of cause and effect.

Feeling

People who prefer Feeling tend to make decisions
based primarily on values and on subjective
consideration of person-centered concerns.

Judging

People who prefer Judging tend to like a planned
and organized approach to life and want to have
things settled.

Perceiving

People who prefer Perceiving tend to like a flexible
and spontaneous approach to life and want to keep
their options open.

Some people like to focus in the last two, becuase how you make your decisions and value judgments and how you interact with the external world combine to show how you handle conflicts.

I think that the inputs and outputs are secondary, and the middle two factors are most important...how you process information, and how you make decisions and set values. All the stuff that happens only inside your head.

The reason that INTJ/P is rare is because a pretty significant majority of people fall into SF. That is, they focus on what's around them, and make decisions based on values they have established, and how it affects individuals around them. NTs are top-down "forest, not trees" types, and look for objective truth external to their own values.

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Descriptions of N/S and T/F always read to me like "this type of person is a drooling sub-human monkey, and this other type of person has a functioning brain."

Although it seems common to like your personality type, whatever it is. Some utterly embarrassing (to me) type like *SF* once told me they felt lucky to have the best type, and that's when I realized tongue.png

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paper_llama wrote:

Descriptions of N/S and T/F always read to me like "this type of person is a drooling sub-human monkey, and this other type of person has a functioning brain."

Although it seems common to like your personality type, whatever it is. Some utterly embarrassing (to me) type like *SF* once told me they felt lucky to have the best type, and that's when I realized

I tend to agree, but SF types can see NT types as people that discard details and emotional considerations for the bigger picture, and that they care about logic and facts over people and their wellbeing.

NT types can see SF types as being people who can't see the forest for the trees, and who value feelings and small-to-medium human considerations over the greater good for everyone.

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DiogenesDue wrote:
paper_llama wrote:

Descriptions of N/S and T/F always read to me like "this type of person is a drooling sub-human monkey, and this other type of person has a functioning brain."

Although it seems common to like your personality type, whatever it is. Some utterly embarrassing (to me) type like *SF* once told me they felt lucky to have the best type, and that's when I realized

I tend to agree, but SF types can see NT types as people that discard details and emotional considerations for the bigger picture, and that they care about logic and facts over people and their wellbeing.

Sure.

What was the old setup (older than the show I'm sure). Spock was the voice of Kirk's reason, and McCoy was the emotional side. The corollary to this flushing out the character of Kirk is that having too much of one without the other is easy to characterize as sub-human.

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paper_llama wrote:

Sure.

What was the old setup (older than the show I'm sure). Spock was the voice of Kirk's reason, and McCoy was the emotional side. The corollary to this flushing out the character of Kirk is that having too much of one without the other is easy to characterize as sub-human.

What does that make Scotty? The voice of doubt?

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Haha, it's been so long, I'm not even sure I got the names right grin.png

Scotty the voice of... yeah, doubt fits.

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DiogenesDue wrote:

It's pretty funny that the OP went after INTJs (6 years ago...), since INTJ/P is rare among the populace at large but common among chessplayers. It's like going to ComicCon and insulting Iron Man.

Also, the pairing labels are not very accurate:

The questions break down into the 4 steps of how the human brain takes in information and then decides to act:

1. Where you focus your attention (how you pick your inputs) -> I or E

2. The way you take in information (how you process your inputs) -> N or S

3. The way you make decisions (how you make decisions/assign values) - T or F

4. How you deal with the external world (i.e. your outputs) -> J or P

The above is scientific. The Astrology-like interpretations people make from the Myers-Briggs tests are not.

For example...people think that "Thinking" vs. "Feeling" is some kind of black and white logic vs. emotions thing. It's not. T types tend to use logical analysis based on cause and effect. F types tend to use value judgments based on subjective considerations.

You can read about these distinctions here: https://www.themyersbriggs.com/en-US/Products-and-Services/-/media/myers-briggs/files/sample-reports/smp261161.pdf

Extraversion

People who prefer Extraversion tend to focus on
the outer world of people and activity.

Introversion

People who prefer Introversion tend to focus on
the inner world of ideas and impressions.

Sensing

People who prefer Sensing tend to take in
information through the five senses and focus
on the here and now.

(i)Ntuition

People who prefer Intuition tend to take in
information from patterns and the big picture
and focus on future possibilities.

Thinking

People who prefer Thinking tend to make
decisions based primarily on logic and on
objective analysis of cause and effect.

Feeling

People who prefer Feeling tend to make decisions
based primarily on values and on subjective
consideration of person-centered concerns.

Judging

People who prefer Judging tend to like a planned
and organized approach to life and want to have
things settled.

Perceiving

People who prefer Perceiving tend to like a flexible
and spontaneous approach to life and want to keep
their options open.

Some people like to focus in the last two, becuase how you make your decisions and value judgments and how you interact with the external world combine to show how you handle conflicts.

I think that the inputs and outputs are secondary, and the middle two factors are most important...how you process information, and how you make decisions and set values. All the stuff that happens only inside your head.

The reason that INTJ/P is rare is because a pretty significant majority of people fall into SF. That is, they focus on what's around them, and make decisions based on values they have established, and how it affects individuals around them. NTs are top-down "forest, not trees" types, and look for objective truth external to their own values.

Are you INTJ or INTP?

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I found out that I'm an INTJ- 
...............................................

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Nvm- I'm an INFJ

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Jalex13 wrote:

Are you INTJ or INTP?

I am both, depending on when I take the test. I have also drifting into E, though less often. It's the NT that is unchanging...on a test with 14 questions per category, I went 27 out of 28 in NT.

MBTI scores change over time. Or even over coffee...a conversation you had that flips one question upon reflection could change your category. One drifting hormone level could alter your results, say, taking the test after watching Schindler's List or something.

There's a much larger thread about Myers-Briggs that covers most of this stuff.

ESFJ (Extraverted, Sensing, Feeling, Judging): 13.8% of the population

ISFJ (Introverted, Sensing, Feeling, Judging): 12% of the population

ISTJ (Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging): 11.6% of the population

ESTP (Extraverted, Sensing, Thinking, Perceiving): 11.6% of the population

ISFP (Introverted, Sensing, Feeling, Perceiving): 10.7% of the population

ISTP (Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, Perceiving): 9.8% of the population

ESTJ (Extraverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging): 8.7% of the population

ESFP (Extraverted, Sensing, Feeling, Perceiving): 8.2% of the population

ENFP (Extraverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Perceiving): 8.1% of the population

INTP (Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Perceiving): 3.3% of the population

ENTP (Extraverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Perceiving): 3.2% of the population

ENFJ (Extraverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging): 2.5% of the population

INTJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judging): 2.1% of the population

ENTJ (Extraverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judging): 1.8% of the population

INFJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging): 1.5% of the population

So SF types (4 of the 16 categories) make up about 45% of the total. I got these totals from Bard, not wanting to do full research on this again, so if they don't add up to 100%, take it up with Google happy.png.

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DiogenesDue wrote:
Jalex13 wrote:

Are you INTJ or INTP?

I am both, depending on when I take the test. I have also drifting into E, though less often. It's the NT that is unchanging...on a test with 14 questions per category, I went 27 out of 28 in NT.

MBTI scores change over time. Or even over coffee...a conversation you had that flips one question upon reflection could change your category. One drifting hormone level could alter your results, say, taking the test after watching Schindler's List or something.

There's a much larger thread about Myers-Briggs that covers most of this stuff.

ESFJ (Extraverted, Sensing, Feeling, Judging): 13.8% of the population

ISFJ (Introverted, Sensing, Feeling, Judging): 12% of the population

ISTJ (Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging): 11.6% of the population

ESTP (Extraverted, Sensing, Thinking, Perceiving): 11.6% of the population

ISFP (Introverted, Sensing, Feeling, Perceiving): 10.7% of the population

ISTP (Introverted, Sensing, Thinking, Perceiving): 9.8% of the population

ESTJ (Extraverted, Sensing, Thinking, Judging): 8.7% of the population

ESFP (Extraverted, Sensing, Feeling, Perceiving): 8.2% of the population

ENFP (Extraverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Perceiving): 8.1% of the population

INTP (Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Perceiving): 3.3% of the population

ENTP (Extraverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Perceiving): 3.2% of the population

ENFJ (Extraverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging): 2.5% of the population

INTJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judging): 2.1% of the population

ENTJ (Extraverted, Intuitive, Thinking, Judging): 1.8% of the population

INFJ (Introverted, Intuitive, Feeling, Judging): 1.5% of the population

So SF types (4 of the 16 categories) make up about 45% of the total. I got these totals from Bard, not wanting to do full research on this again, so if they don't add up to 100%, take it up with Google .

My tests change between INFJ and INFP. But after delving further into what both of them are I have found that I resonate almost completely with other INFJ’s and less so INFP. If it doesn’t add up to 100% I believe INFP is excluded from that list.

The main thing for me is that at one point in time I thought myself an extrovert, but later learnt that INFJs can often “chameleon” their personalities to fit their environments.

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DiogenesDue wrote:

if they don't add up to 100%, take it up with Google .

Looks like 108.9%

Imagine when they get a little better...

"Did you lie about any of the data?"

"Yes, I'm sorry, I changed the numbers to make it add up to 100% because I didn't want to upset you."

Which would be even funnier / tragic in research situations.

"Yes, there are horrible side effects, but since you wont notice for 10 years this was the best way to get funding."

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I found another source that adds up to 97%