IS IT SAFE TO GO TO TOURNAMENTS YET...3?

i thought the u.s. had a pandemic team set up to deal with this...

You have a TV. Just saying. 

seat belts, insurance, and helmets are mandatory [cuz Health Insurance* doesnt wanna lose $] because people cannot be trusted to make wise decisions. just look at all the gatherings where people eschew wearing a mask. [HI* is tryn2change that one cuz its costing them too much $ + hospitals/drs/nurses dont wanna treat patients w/out insurance so the AMA (wudda union...huh ?!) hasta force them w/a hippocratic oath to do so...passport or not]

in my opinion, this should have been a time where federal government put safety above other concerns and put in place standards nationally based on all available information. the u.s. has only started to do this now.  [cuzza HI* is losing $]

*morale...HI always has their say & always gets their way

for those that are so concerned about the economy, i would ask that you look into who received money from the cares act. the legislation was drafted by those we elected. [ok. pecking order...bok-bok !...top to bot: wealthy (they definitely need more $) then the cleric (ez job (pep talks) + free $...yee !) then comes the police (Kant kinda said force over freedom = control + good $) then bourgeoisie (inheritees who cant do ?...manage + get paid good $ to party ...lucky them !) then the welfare-lifers (free $ + no work + no complaints). and lastly the proletariat (temp slavery + temp freedom = repeated character-building soundbites 4eva + quasi-false hope + a desperate search4stuff2laff@ + a pug...lol ! (see ?...im laffing !)]. 

then there is the fact that the government is simply printing money to keep people from being homeless. i have no issue with it as it has not produced inflation as it has in the past and it keeps people and businesses contributing. [so. s/o tell my how we plan on paying back $27T ? (soon to be $32-35T (160%-175% of GDP) post-virus outpour)...which is 135% of our GDP (whoa !) and growing - as we happily water it !...sick & sad !!]

3 more deaths in Oregon on Sunday: https://ktvz.com/news/coronavirus/2020/07/26/oregon-reports-3-covid-19-deaths-277-new-cases-27-in-central-oregon/

All of these people were younger than 70: a 40 year old woman, a 56 year old man and a 63 year old woman. All of them had "underlying conditions", but again an indication of how deadly this virus can be for those people with those conditions. 

The New York Times is trying to keep track: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/oregon-coronavirus-cases.html

That increasing trend line from deaths is of concern: it would be good to see what the trend line is for all deaths, because Barbara will argue that those people would have died anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

No-one was saying that the economic hardships of lockdown wouldn't be difficult: it was more that Barbara was pretending to care about that whereas she's really only interested in her own personal freedom and economic prosperity above the public health issues that she refuses to acknowledge.

Thank you for posting that. When it comes from me, it seems to meet resistance for some reason. In the past few days most people who have died while having covid are mostly over 80 and in poor health. We do get a few people under 80, as you pointed out. But the critical factor is existing health issues. When people die of natural causes (not accidents or murder) it's almost always from existing problems, like cancer, heart attack, etc. 

When we see the raw numbers of people who are dying, we often dont get to see the other factors that contributed to their death. A news story will say something like a 40 year old woman dies. But then dont tell you she was morbidly obese at 375 pounds, with not only diabetes, but severe heart issues as well. 

This virus has been very selective in who it targets. We now know, with the data and science confirming it, that the vast majority of victims are old and/or in very poor health. Thank you for confirming what I have been saying all along. It amazes me that even to this day people dont take their health seriously. I guess even now many feel that's someone else's responsibility. 

The virus is particularly deadly for those people, but it's not true that they would have died soon anyway even without COVID-19. There's already been a study (summarised at https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/07/200701125506.htm) that indicates in the 8 week period from March 1st to April 25th, there were more than 87,00 excess deaths - that's deaths above the expected number based on the averagees for the last 5 years. Only 65% of those have been contributed to COVID, which means the fatality rate could be being way under-reported. 

I totally agree that not every death in someone who had covid was a death that was going to happen soon anyway. But I do believe the evidence, the science, and the data that suggests the vast majority of covid related deaths are in people who are already very near death. Of COURSE there are exceptions. That's why we seen them on the news. Every day we hear about a presumably healthy 40 year old who dies while having covid. But we conveniently look away when a buried story explains that that vast majority of deaths are people who are old (usually very old) AND in poor health. 

It's like the plane landing analogy I used before. How often do we hear about all the planes that landed safely today, on July 27th, 2020? Not a peep. But somewhere a plane crashed. And suddenly the thousands, or even millions, of people who flew safely are ignored. It's the very few that perished in that crash that make the news. 

so, now you believe in sources? you state quite a bit of "information" in this quoted post that is opinion. things like, "we often dont get to see the other factors that contributed to their death". at nearly every turn you seem to want to downplay the risk by citing...yourself. 

oh, they had a hangnail! that's why they died, not covid! do you ignore all information and think all media is misrepresenting what is happening? kind of a rhetorical question where i do not expect a cogent response based on reading you. 

stating that a virus is selective takes the cake! you have officially lost all credibility! where is this expertise about how the virus targets certain people? oh, sorry, that would involve you citing sources from experts to corroborate your claim. 

i would suggest that you research viruses and how they spread, but you would probably tell me/everyone that you do not like sourcing information. 

ignorance can be bliss, but it is still ignorance.

Yes. Either you believe the sources that report this. Or you dont. Take your pick. 

i am regularly taken aback when people, like you, write or say as you do. 

i have not seen a citation from one america or hannity. i have read quite a bit from the cdc and nih-which is then reported by ap, nyt, wp, reuters, the guardian, the hill, motherjones, the independent, and many other journalists. it is verifiable evidence. 

i am quite sick of people like you wavering to suit your preconceived ideas, and then, when confronted, will not reveal any sources they have used to form their opinion.  

a regular question i have for loons like you-where is it you receive information? you seem to want to dispel much of what is being reported, but you are quite opinionated without citing anything other than you visiting a local hospital. 

you remind me of a guy (ironically, on this site) that, when presented with information, will demur to "i only know what i see out of my window". i asked if he saw watergate from his window.

It's not only the old peoples that are at risk!

 Almost one in four workers are at higher risk of severe illness if they were to become infected.The teachers and other adult staff in schools face higher risk. We used a similar approach to look at teachers and other instructors, and we find that one in four teachers (24%, or about 1.47 million people), have a condition that puts them at higher risk of serious illness from coronavirus . This percentage is the same as the one we found for workers overall.

https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/how-many-teachers-are-at-risk-of-serious-illness-if-infected-with-coronavirus/

This virus has been very selective in who it targets. We now know, with the data and science confirming it, that the vast majority of victims are old and/or in very poor health.

then u should check out this mornings #'s on Floridian children. Way Way Up. and skools ar spose2open in (4) weeks there ?...GL. gonna need it.

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(Florida Dept of Health...Sunday 07.26.20)

Statewide (FL), an approximate total of 31,150 children have been infected with the coronavirus, or 14.4.% of those tested. In Florida, 7.3% of those who have tested positive are children.

Five children have died.

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...watch what parents do as babies start dying - let alone ending up in the hospital. and the last time i checked ?...Floridian children are the same species as all the other children in the USA/T's. so expect the same sweep. idh children. but if i did ?...id tell compulsory skooling to eff off. mine would stay close to home cuz skool can wait. and so can heaven.

now patience aint my thing. but trust me baby luvz...good things come2those who wait.

(feeling so emotional)

 In fact, the disease has killed people in all age groups, including children who have developed a rare toxic shock syndrome, according to reports in recent days from New York and elsewhere in the United States and other countries.

Separately, a new study of children with Covid-19 admitted to pediatric intensive care units in the United States and Canada concludes that while the overall severity of symptoms in the children was “far less than that documented in adults… Covid-19 can result in a significant disease burden in children.” According to the research, published in JAMA Pediatrics, 40 of the 48 children, ranging in age from four to 16, had underlying medical conditions. Two of them died, and three remain on ventilators.

Meanwhile, more data is revealing how other age groups are affected. People ages 20 to 44 account for 20% of Covid-19 hospitalizations and 12% of ICU admissions, according to Paul G. Auwaerter, MD, at Johns Hopkins Medicine.

 lately more people under age 40 developing severe breathing problems and blood clots related to Covid-19.

“We are really shocked to see younger age groups have similar complications” as older people, Salata tells me, adding, “We’ve seen it in some younger people who had no risk factors.”

One does not have to die from Covid-19 to be severely affected. Some people who recovered from Covid-19 have been “unable to shake sickness and fatigue” weeks later. It’s too soon to know whether the disease might leave some people with enduring debilitations.

29% of Covid-19 hospitalizations involve otherwise relatively healthy individuals.

Either way, underlying conditions don’t pertain to just a few people or only to older people.

“We estimated that 45.4% of U.S. adults are at increased risk for complications from coronavirus disease because of cardiovascular disease, diabetes, respiratory disease, hypertension, or cancer,” according to a new analysis from the CDC. Those at elevated risk include 19.8% of people age 18 to 29 

https://elemental.medium.com/its-not-just-sick-old-people-who-die-from-covid-19-bc9251989bc8

TY !!...i needed that one !...im good now for 15 mins  .

SO right. i say lead...follow...or end up like a flat squirrel.

ok. lets face it. they're tryn like crazy to rescue the proletariat. u know, the fragmentists who actually gets stuff done e/d ?

People don't seem to understand what viruses are.  A virus is not "selective".  Viruses that kill people are "failed" evolutionary branches.  A good parasite lives by taking something from its host and leaving it alive.  Viruses that cause their hosts to die cannot survive themselves and ergo fail.  The most virulent viruses fade the fastest.  That's why Ebola did not go very far.  It was far too deadly relative to its ability to infect/transfer, and so had a lower R0.

Only 43% of the cells in a human being are human cells.  The rest are microorganisms we are carrying around...those microorganisms are "successful" parasites/symbiotes that don't kill their hosts...but if any one of them were suddenly swapped out for a failed mutation like Covid-19, we'd all be dying .

The virus is not some message from God to tell people to eat right and exercise.  All people with existing health issues have some risk of those issues coming into play when their bodies are put under stress by other factors.  But nobody seems to be saying that when somebody dies from a gunshot wound that their heart problems were the cause of death due to them taking blood thinning medication that caused them to bleed out from the gunshot wound.  The cause of death is the gunshot,  Just like the cause of death is Covid-19 when someone with asthma dies from Covid-19.

P.S. People with asthma are not "near death" already.  The notion that the virus is taking the lives of those who are weak and ill and so people need to shape up and change their habits is a sick and twisted form of cheerleading for the virus actually killing people.

...so instructive. soothes my emotions. TY Elmo !!...twice  .

but if any one of them were suddenly swapped out for a failed mutation like Covid-19, we'd all be dying

dont get this line. ur saying that C19 is a failed mutation ? seems pretty successful as its killing only a small % of its infectees. tho est @ very roughly R0=4. that is unless a successful mutation is one that kills. not u/s.

ok. take measles. they say it carries a ballpark R0=18. so highly successful ?...as it spreads wildly w/out killing off too many ? 

It's strange that you would say I'm wavering. I thought the complaint was that I repeat the same thing over and over. Sorta the opposite of wavering. No, I wont "reveal" sources because it doesn't make any difference. If the news reports 4 deaths what difference does it make what source it is? If someone wants to look it up, they will. 

But some of my information comes from firsthand sources, not the news. So no, I will not reveal that either. If you dont want to believe it, dont. I haven't said anything untrue. Uncomfortable, unpopular, maybe. But not untrue. 

I think your point is you dont like it that I find some news credible, and other news not credible. Well, that's because not everything you see or read on the news is credible. So when I see read that 4 million Americans have had the covid, no, I dont believe it. I believe it's much, much higher. When I read that the vast majority of people who died while having covid also had significant health problems, I believe that. It makes sense. The virus is very selective. 

But when I read that you can catch covid from yourself at a boat ramp or that you are safer in the seated position vs. standing at a restaurant, I dont believe it. So in other words, you are right, I pick and choose which news to believe. Hopefully you do too.