Is Satan invented?

Hi patzer (like the name). "Gothic" is actually quite a loose term, type it into Wikipedia and you get this:

The original Goths were a now defunct group of East Germanic tribes, they had their own language and alphabet; Gothic art and architecture originated in medieval France; Gothic literature is a British literary tradition (Mary Shelly's Frankenstein, Bram Stoker's Dracula); while Goth music emerged from England in the post-punk era (Siouxsie and the Banshees, Bauhaus, Joy Division).

The present goth "look" has evolved into what's on display here; while it remains firmly rooted in the style of British Victoriana, goth festivals take place all over the world now I believe, including the US I daresay.

I wouldn't say Britain has a monopoly on "gothic", put it that way, and it has seeped into many other cultures and genres; think of the noir tradition in cinema for instance, comics (Gotham City, in Batman), or even science fiction. How gothic, for instance, is Nostromo, the space refinery depicted in Alien?

I'm now going to cynically use this as an excuse to gratuitously post some examples of gothic sea-shanties, I do hope everybody can indulge this, Ghosty grew up with this stuff...

"The Killing Jar", Siouxsie and the Banshees

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVzJ3maL5JY

"Atmosphere", Joy Division

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EdUjlawLJM

"Bela Lugosi's Dead", Bauhaus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKRJfIPiJGY

thank you ghosty.  very nice.

the Goths were a germanic tribe?  cool thats probably somewhere high up on the family tree.  at any rate, I enjoyed the pics, information and banter.

keep posting

you might have a point there ghostliner the blokes look less grand

Cheers Shaun, I will now proceed to use that as an excuse for celebrating the female of the species:

With thanks to Babytigrrr:

With many thanks to Pulpofeira:

"That's a statue of Satan located at my hometown, just when he was being fired. As far as I know it is the only one dedicated to him on the world. Well, maybe he wasn't exactly Satan yet, something like Darth Vader when he still wasn't wearing the black suit... you know, the yellow-eyed Skywalker."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buen_Retiro_Park

Hahaha, I just found this exchange on FB:

theres a rumour going about that there are two donald trumps one in a blue tie one in a red , did anyone notice how many times blue tie trump said

"i didnt say that"

I suppose since this thread was already religious in nature, adding politics to it wasn't going to make it any more or less likely to be locked.

Commentary on these topics is not to be conducted in the public forums but in Open Discussion or a private club. Thanks!