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TomGa
Nov 11, 2016
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#81
Ilike you.
Nov 11, 2016
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#83
SA authority is a good thing. Interesting.
Education is a good thing . I think it's fair to say actually democracy is helpful. And yet most people favour the death penalty in this country but the government doesn't. A crowd can be a baying mob.
Perhaps freedom and equality is desirable. That all have a voice. But perhaps it's useful to have elected officials to calmly look at the bigger picture.
Men of wisdom and patience.
I'm not sure that's what democracy always brings us though!
Education is a good thing . I think it's fair to say actually democracy is helpful. And yet most people favour the death penalty in this country but the government doesn't. A crowd can be a baying mob.
Perhaps freedom and equality is desirable. That all have a voice. But perhaps it's useful to have elected officials to calmly look at the bigger picture.
Men of wisdom and patience.
I'm not sure that's what democracy always brings us though!
Nov 11, 2016
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#84
Is democracy really 'by the people' like it's etymology describes? I mean, in Australia we are forced to vote for a leader. Doesn't that seem wrong? Choosing who we want to work for every few years doesn't really make us free.
Nov 11, 2016
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#85
Yeah. I was just thinking along similar lines. Democracy isn't entirely democratic.
Nov 11, 2016
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#86
I think about society generally. In the uk there has been great progress. Sexual equality. An end to racism to an extent. Equal rights for homosexuals. Lots of great things.
I wonder though if one days this trend will reverse.
But then could a major nation ever elect a racist leader?
I wonder though if one days this trend will reverse.
But then could a major nation ever elect a racist leader?
Nov 11, 2016
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#87
They already have. Everyone is opinionated, including us, and for some people their opinion on what an opinion should be is not another opinionated persons opinion, but in fact an opinion about a false opinion set by an opinion.
My opinion is that I repeated the word opinion too much. What's your opinion about my opinion of the word opinion?
My opinion is that I repeated the word opinion too much. What's your opinion about my opinion of the word opinion?
Nov 11, 2016
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#88
'windmills', wrote - No one can stereotype you if they don't know how to. This is what the 'followers' can't understand.
I wasn't sure, if you thought I was guilty, of 'stereotyping', with the above comment!? .. But, rest assured.. It's Easy to be misunderstood, when someone approaches an issue, from a perspective, that's at variance, with one's own!
Incidentally.. there's Nothing wrong, with being a 'follower'.. Nor, is there necessarily, anything 'wrong' with being a 'free {distinct minority}, thinker! -- But, as for the perceived inference, that I was stereotyping 'troy'.. I ask you, {rhetorically, of course}.. Who made a Bigger impact, on world history? - The 'troys' and 'Toms' of the world{?}.. Or 'JC'.. of whom, so vastly 'outranks' me..{among All of us, for that matter}.. That, it's No exaggeration, that there's a 'filthy rags' versus, man's 'righteousness' analogy, mentioned in the 'Good Book'! o:
Nov 11, 2016
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#89
I just wonder if society will forever evolve to a greater good. A kinder society. I'm interested in people.
Sometimes I think it's economically related. Hitler rose to power in Germany suffering abject poverty. Perhaps desperation is the enemy of love.
Sometimes I think it's economically related. Hitler rose to power in Germany suffering abject poverty. Perhaps desperation is the enemy of love.
Nov 11, 2016
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#90
I love our philosophical thread. Like having a cigar and a whisky. Put your slippers on and lift your feet up. Time for work though. Catch you guys later.
Nov 11, 2016
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#91
You're too opinionated!
SA what a friend we have in Jesus. And Nelson Mandela. People are amazing it's true.
Work Tom!
SA what a friend we have in Jesus. And Nelson Mandela. People are amazing it's true.
Work Tom!
Nov 11, 2016
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#92
A search for the truth. Or an expression of the truth. Life the forum. Be who you are. 2016. Ha ha
Nov 11, 2016
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#93
The 'Truth' is 'out there'.. And, the fact that 'Truth' is based in part, on how each of us perceives it; Is an unavoidable.. and I dare say, one of a number, of 'ordained' facts-of-Life. o:
Me thinks, that, the many multiple perceptions of 'Truth'.. Is a key component, of what constitutes, our constrained 'free will'!
Nov 11, 2016
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#94
More often than not; Unpopular-sobering messages, are in direct proportion, to the assortment of counter-intuitive, natural 'fallen' human reasoning, they contain.
"For the natural man, receives Not, the things of ___ .. for they are Spiritually discerned; Neither, can he know them."
TomGa wrote:
Ilike. You're writing some really good stuff. I've wondered before if the ignorant are blessed. It's bliss not to wonder about our place in the world. But perhaps peace and joy come through understanding rather than oblivion.
Precisesly, because even though the ignorant may feel 'happy' for a while, sooner or later fantasy will crash with reality. What's more, he's simply not aware that conflict is already present, that doesn't mean he lives in bliss, only that he suffers without consciously knowing it. But suffer he does.
TomGa wrote:
Troy you believe in something I don't.
Hmm. I'm interested in this objective meaning Troy that you refer to.
Troy you believe in something I don't.
Do you see the contradiction? Any belief cancels out any objectivity. It's not a belief, nor is it about 'the meaning of my life', as you said elsewhere.
I said 'life has plenty of meaning' and you translated that into ' my life has a meaning', and then began to question 'what is the meaning of my life?' Do you see the distinction?
It is precisely when all beliefs die that life reveals its meaning,Tom.
Stolen_Authenticity wrote:
Incidentally.. there's Nothing wrong, with being a 'follower'...
I ask you, {rhetorically, of course}.. Who made a Bigger impact, on world history? -
The follower doesn't see anything wrong with following..what a shocker! Like the believer 'seeing' nothing wrong in believing...
The follower doesn't see the conformity, lack of intelligence and fear of not belonging present in a follower.
As for people who made an impact on the world, superficially many have. Hitler, Jesus(if he existed) Napoleon, Buddha(if he existed), Newton, Einstein, all did leave footprints.
But if one looks just a little deeper, no one has affected the world. People have suffered in the past, and they are suffering in the present, it doesn't matter who lived and died. Suffering is intact and in many cases some of the above people actually have created false escapes from the reality of suffering, thus making it more difficult to end it.
ilikewindmills wrote:
Acceptance is a perspective. Not everyone has it, and some have less of it. Acceptance is one of those things we all want, but don't wish for. Instead, we find ourselves wishing for physical objects, from that we gain nothing.
There's a hole inside us, and there are many things we can try to fill it with. Most do what I said above, and fill it with objects. But they will never fit. Some just try to fill it with money, or friendship etc. But that hole will never be filled. As a result, we have a large hole right through our heart, and brain, and we don't know what to do with it. Nothing fits there. And the pressure of not knowing what to do with this hole drives us mad. We just need to have the right perspective, and accept the fact that nothing will be perfect. I've done this, and I hope you can too.
-ilikewindmills
There's a hole inside us, and there are many things we can try to fill it with. Most do what I said above, and fill it with objects. But they will never fit. Some just try to fill it with money, or friendship etc. But that hole will never be filled. As a result, we have a large hole right through our heart, and brain, and we don't know what to do with it. Nothing fits there. And the pressure of not knowing what to do with this hole drives us mad. We just need to have the right perspective, and accept the fact that nothing will be perfect. I've done this, and I hope you can too.
-ilikewindmills
Oh no, perfection exists.
As for the hole, many writers talked about it...and they've all got it wrong!
What there is inside of us is not a hole, emptiness, but the image of a hole, the image of us being empty, along with an image of the necessity of filling it up. That creates suffering.
Real emptiness contains no suffering, it is the image of being empty which creates the trouble, under the already formed image that we must be 'full', and that our lives must have meaning(!)
It is not the acceptance of the fact that we can't fill up the void, so that one resigns to living with it--rather, it is about understanding this preloaded image that we must fill up the void, which void turns out it's just another preloaded image, not an actual void.
There is no emptiness in us, and that's the problem, not the other way around! We're full of baggage, old prejudices and beliefs--there's nothing fresh in us, just old on top of more old.
Let's lose this baggage, which does not mean oblivion! Either way, there's nothing wrong with the void, except that it's an image and not an actual void!
An actual void means no baggage and freshness.
I'm afraid it's not about 'being opinionated', which is part of our culture, nor about 'accepting who we truly are'.