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In understanding that the illusion exists the illusion doesn't dissipate. It's always there. A bit like we experience ourselves to be still but we are anything but.
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#25
I think there's part of us that cling to the idea of choice because to let go is a death of a kind. Without choice we don't exist. The self disappears.
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#27
Not particularly inspiring - At least it would appear to be 'in sync' if you will, with today's headlines.. which also are not very inspiring - But, who would want to build a philosophy, along those lines!? - Well, obviously, some do.. And, I Don't doubt, that they regard their philosophical opposites, as equally Strange!
.. Such, is Life! -- And, another confirmation, that among Other things .. the 'Powers-that-Be' leave up, to each person to decide.. Is our constrained 'free will'.
- Not to bemoan that.. Since it Is, in one sense, the Greatest Mystery, to be solved! .. And, 'fwiw'.. I don't even think, that as long as we're reasonably 'civil' to one another.. That this 'Great mystery'.. and how we view it.. Is even 'grading' us, in a 'Pass-Fail context - It's Not! ..Hallejulah! [ :
TomGa wrote:
It's always there.
No, it's not. But if you assume it's an illusion because somebody told you, then it's there. You still don't see it as an illusion, but as a possible illusion--not the same thing.
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#31
I think I've reached my Everest. I've established the fundamental nature of reality. Tell you what I'll write it this once for those that haven't followed my threads and are curious.
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#32
That's not my experience Troy. I see the option and the innate desire to be healthy which means automatically to select that option.
Therefore I see the illusion of choice before me, the option, but understand that really there is only way.
It's like this Troy. You see a beautiful rose. You understand that all there truly is is one energy but the beauty illusion remains.
You aren't free either. You are in the sense you understand the dream is only a dream but nonetheless you are still dreaming!
Therefore I see the illusion of choice before me, the option, but understand that really there is only way.
It's like this Troy. You see a beautiful rose. You understand that all there truly is is one energy but the beauty illusion remains.
You aren't free either. You are in the sense you understand the dream is only a dream but nonetheless you are still dreaming!
That's the point: as long as you exist, you will be dreaming. As long as you exist, it will always be about you--'reaching Everest', 'your problems', 'your choice', 'your observation'.
As long as you exist, the illusion is alive and kicking.
TomGa wrote:
It's like this Troy. You see a beautiful rose. You understand that all there truly is is one energy but the beauty illusion remains.
It's like this Troy. You see a beautiful rose. You understand that all there truly is is one energy but the beauty illusion remains.
You are mixing up 'beautiful' with'beauty'. You cannot see beauty(not a beautiful thing) as long as you exist. Not two ways about it.
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#35
I get post #35. I accept that my current experience doesn't truly reflect reality and sure it's possible you have a more profound correlation between the truth and experience.
Post #36 I can't relate to at all. Unless you mean experience can be beautiful. In itself. Is that how you are viewing things?
Post #36 I can't relate to at all. Unless you mean experience can be beautiful. In itself. Is that how you are viewing things?
TomGa wrote:
I get post #35. I accept that my current experience doesn't truly reflect reality and sure it's possible you have a more profound correlation between the truth and experience.
Post #36 I can't relate to at all. Unless you mean experience can be beautiful. In itself. Is that how you are viewing things?
Post #36 I can't relate to at all. Unless you mean experience can be beautiful. In itself. Is that how you are viewing things?
We were talking about beauty. Not a beautiful thing, in itself or otherwise, but beauty apart from an object. That's it, beauty without object.
Optimism or pessimism?
If optimist, external meaning of life or internal meaning in life?
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#38
Okay. You've entirely lost me. Beauty without an object. It's like your insistence meaning exists.
I think we both agree that truly there is no self.
I have to admit you're baffling me.
Sometimes you say something and I think yeah that's a great understanding.
Like when you say acceptance of the illusion isn't real. All there is is the illusion.
You're referring to something else now I can't relate to at all. At least not right now.
I think we both agree that truly there is no self.
I have to admit you're baffling me.
Sometimes you say something and I think yeah that's a great understanding.
Like when you say acceptance of the illusion isn't real. All there is is the illusion.
You're referring to something else now I can't relate to at all. At least not right now.
TomGa wrote:
I get post #35. I accept that my current experience doesn't truly reflect reality
That's it, if it doesn't reflect reality it reflects a fantasy, a projection, an illusion.
There are no stages of seeing: one either sees or they don't; no in-betweens. No 'deeper' or 'less profound'. That is the relative dimension of the illusion.
The truth is absolute.
TomGa wrote:
Okay. You've entirely lost me. Beauty without an object. It's like your insistence meaning exists.
I think we both agree that truly there is no self.
I have to admit you're baffling me.
Sometimes you say something and I think yeah that's a great understanding.
Like when you say acceptance of the illusion isn't real. All there is is the illusion.
You're referring to something else now I can't relate to at all. At least not right now.
I think we both agree that truly there is no self.
I have to admit you're baffling me.
Sometimes you say something and I think yeah that's a great understanding.
Like when you say acceptance of the illusion isn't real. All there is is the illusion.
You're referring to something else now I can't relate to at all. At least not right now.
Here's why, it's rather simple: you cannot relate to anything without an object. That's because the subject creates the object; the subject being there, the object is there. Always a subject, always an object: that is the illusion!
When the subject is gone, the object is gone, and a perception without object is born: that is beauty.
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I've found that all that's real is nature and that choice and beauty and righteousness are illusions. As is death actually.
Everything just is.