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troy7915
TomGa wrote:
I can taste salt water.

 But not beauty!

troy7915
TomGa wrote:
Anyway I've found my truth. Maybe I might talk about something else now! I'll see.

 If it's your truth, then it's false.

troy7915
TomGa wrote:
I don't want to upset anyone or let anyone down

If you don't let the blind down, one is blind as well. The blind must be let down, if one is speaking the truth, because they must put down the false, and so the blind will necessarily be let down.

Stolen_Authenticity

'tom' - Since you believe that your selfhood, is an 'illusion'; Why even 'worry' about your perceived 'behavior'!?

.. Supposedly, you would regard what others think of you - As merely being, a product of, the impreciseness and unpredictability, of 'Nature' itself! .. Which, even I admit, we're All a part of! o:

troy7915
TomGa wrote:
That's interesting. You guys are talking about failings. My behaviour isn't perfect and I worry about that

 And you are talking about your failings as if it's something partial: failings here and achievements there. It doesn't work like that: if there is one flaw, the whole thing is flawed, the whole thing collapses, perception-wise.

troy7915
TomGa wrote:
I can't say that my view brings me happiness. 

 

 That's precisely because it's 'your view'.

troy7915
TomGa wrote:
I find that though I understand that much of what we experience as real is an illusion nonetheless that illusion continues.



 

 No, you simply assume you have seen it, but there is no direct perception in place, which is why it's still there. Youncannot see an illusion which is there precisesly because seeing was missing to begin with.

 Saying something is an illusion(because it is) and seeing it are two different things. 

 Without a fundamental change in perception, it's the same relative field of suffering. But be clear about it: you are in the same field, and don't bother to end it, for whatever reason--you enjoy it there. Fine, but be clear it's square one. 

troy7915
TomGa wrote:
I wanted to try to learn more about the fabric of nature as I wanted to evolve my notes for dealing with OCD. I've come to accept though that my understanding is complete.

 

  If your understanding was indeed complete, there would be no OCD in the first place,

troy7915
TomGa wrote:
I find that though I understand that much of what we experience as real is an illusion nonetheless that illusion continues.

It's just a natural result of his things are. We can understand it's an illusion but the illusion persists.

 

No. you cannot see and not see at the same time.

troy7915
TomGa wrote:
That's poetic Ilike.

It's true that at times there is conflict within a person.

For me it's about layers.

So it depends how deeply you want to look.

 

No. One either looks and sees everything, or they don't and nothing is seen, projections and assumptions not counting(correct or incorrect).

 

There are no levels, there is no elite.

troy7915
Stolen_Authenticity wrote:

'tom' - Since you believe that your selfhood, is an 'illusion'; Why even 'worry' about your perceived 'behavior'!?

 

 Precisely because it's a belief  and not a direct perception!!

 

 

Stolen_Authenticity

..With one embedded related link, in the 'linked' article. ..{'btw' by posting this.. I'm Not trying to promote, one view or another!}.

http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2016/06/theres-no-such-thing-as-free-will-and-determinism/485234/

troy7915

Debates, arguments, beliefs are based on the same lack of perception of facts. And when facts are not seen, the battle of speculations begins.

Stolen_Authenticity

And, to think that, I used to be regarded, as 'dogmatic' and 'narrow'-minded! o:

..Well, to a degree, I suppose I am! ..If a tad hypocritical.. which I ascribe, to being 'human'.. with my Own constrained 'free will'.

KingAxelson

https://youtu.be/tNcdu109OCk

Stolen_Authenticity

What can I say about this link!? .. Well, If it weren't worth my while, to be fully engaged, for the entire 23 minute-long, video.. I wouldn't be posting the following link! [ ;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIYx-EOtDvc

ilikewindmills
Hi Tom
TomGa
Hi I like. How is life finding you this morning?
TomGa
Thanks guys I enjoyed reading.
TomGa
I used to be all say what you want and I'll do the same but it's true that there are things that I can't cope with or others either.