nirvana & meditation

You're wasting your breath xming regarding troy.

  Ok, sir, you think meditation can be practiced. Listen to what is being said below.

  There are hundreds of systems who claim to practice meditation, but what they achieve is a dull mind, insensitive, obsessed with its petty, little corner.

  That is not meditation. I don't have to try smoking to see that it's meaningless and dangerous. In the same way, no need to try any 'system' claiming to reach meditation, I can look at what it's involved in practicing according to a blueprint.

  Any practice, inwardly, is mechanical, repetitive. That repetition leads to exhaustion. An exhausted mind seems quiet, but it is the same noisy mind, which has been artificially reduced to silence. Beneath that silence there is noise, just as before, and as soon as it wakes up from exhaustion the noise takes the center stage again. And the whole circus begins: now it begs to be silenced again, and it continues with the practice, not unlike a drug addict who is dependant on pills to make it through the day.

  A mind in meditation is never exhausted, never tired. Never heavy, never repetitive. Infinitely flexible.

You are probably right. 

Hmph. Foul words do not deserve the merits of a reply from me! *flips hair*

  Please, see the above response to the other poster. I don't care who said what. It cannot be practiced, because practice always leads to a different state of mind, a state that is in anything but meditation.

  The meditator not only cannot practice meditation, but it destroys the very meditation he's after.

troy (#287)...here you go again.  Do you or do you not affirm the existence of a state of meditation.  You cannot do both which you post #287 suggests.

As far as a blueprint, an architect can read a blueprint but may not be able to swing a hammer to build the thing specified.  Is that you?

   The practice of meditation is an illusion, one of many mankind is holding.

I think troy may be trying to say something for he is very unsettled in his posts.  Try to clarify your thoughts. 

Meditation is an illusion for those who have never experienced the brief moment.

Love doesn't exist for some.  Its just an illusion.

  Sir, please, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You want to practice, practice. But you can see what is involved in practice, and why the mind that repeats a blueprint arrives to something some call silence. You can see how that happens, every step of the way. So while you practice what you may, look at what is happening inside the mind.

  A state of exhaustion is not silence.

Meditation does not result in exhaustion.  It is invigorating.  I think you may need to re-look at your practice.

Even scientific studies have affirmed the benefits of practice.  Blood pressure, brain waves and heart rate all show positive responses to practicing ANY technique of meditation. 

   Meditation is a fact. I am talking from direct experience. Yet it is not a matter of practice. You cannot get to it.

  Don't mix up the construction of a bridge, which needs a blueprint, with the state of meditation. The state of meditation is not something rigid, fixed, like a bridge or a building. It is moving all the time. How can there be a blueprint to a moving thing? By the time you get there, it's already gone.

  And this is exactly what various systems of meditation achieve: a rigid, inflexible, static state of mind. That is not meditation. 

  Is it clearer now?

   That was the point, Jen. They are the same thing only if meditation is a tehnique. But there is no tehnique to achieve a fluid state of mind.

Yoga and meditation both acheive the same results writes Jenn, while proclaiming not to know the difference between the two.

Flip your hair to your heads content. Was that" A Blonde Said Joke "?

The goal of meditation is NOT to acheive a fluid state of mind. This is made up poo by a mal- content making ignorant comments to draw attention.

  Her logic was misunderstood: yoga and meditation are two ways of getting to the same place. That was her reasoning. No contradiction. To her, they both achieve the same results--no fundamental diference between them.

 I have understood that logic, despite not agreeing to it. Because I maintain that meditation is not a tehnique to achieve something, like silence.