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HexyAndINoed
JessieWong wrote:

Being a vegetarian is also a kind of knowledge, it depends on how you achieve your balance diet, the balance diets will be the one influence not just your chess performance but also health improvement.

I have senior schoolmates who could play board games better than me, he and she are both vegetarian.

It's possibly to be healthy as a vegetarian,  it's just harder and you lose out on some of your best options.   The top 1% of vegetarians are obviously going to be healthier than most members of different groups but perhaps not quite up to the same level as the healthiest people over all.   

 

It's kind of like comparing the NBA to the WNBA.   

Inventing_Invention
HexyAndINoed wrote:
JessieWong wrote:

Being a vegetarian is also a kind of knowledge, it depends on how you achieve your balance diet, the balance diets will be the one influence not just your chess performance but also health improvement.

I have senior schoolmates who could play board games better than me, he and she are both vegetarian.

It's possibly to be healthy as a vegetarian,  it's just harder and you lose out on some of your best options.   The top 1% of vegetarians are obviously going to be healthier than most members of different groups but perhaps not quite up to the same level as the healthiest people over all.   

 

It's kind of like comparing the NBA to the WNBA.   

but whats answer to this??

 

HexyAndINoed
Inventing_Invention wrote:
HexyAndINoed wrote:
JessieWong wrote:

Being a vegetarian is also a kind of knowledge, it depends on how you achieve your balance diet, the balance diets will be the one influence not just your chess performance but also health improvement.

I have senior schoolmates who could play board games better than me, he and she are both vegetarian.

It's possibly to be healthy as a vegetarian,  it's just harder and you lose out on some of your best options.   The top 1% of vegetarians are obviously going to be healthier than most members of different groups but perhaps not quite up to the same level as the healthiest people over all.   

 

It's kind of like comparing the NBA to the WNBA.   

but whats answer to this??

 

What do you mean?  

Inventing_Invention

i think just goo diet maybe wil give nutrients

 

JessieWong

NBA and WNBA is different gender, not a suitable comparison to vegetarian and non vegetarian 😂

JessieWong
Inventing_Invention wrote:

i think just goo diet maybe wil give nutrients

 

Agree, nutrient 👍

HexyAndINoed
Inventing_Invention wrote:

i think just goo diet maybe wil give nutrients

 

Sure,  but the best possible diets are excluded if you insist on being a vegetarian.  You can however achieve a very good diet,  and perhaps one that is more than sufficient.   Generally,  restrictions aren't the best if you want to find the best examples.   The NBA is stronger than the WNBA because it casts a wider net and doesn't exclude the best players.  Elite chess tournaments would be stronger than their women's only equivalents. and similarly,  people who optimize their diets have a leg up over the veggie only crowd.   It doesn't surprise me that a majority of top players are not vegetarians.

HexyAndINoed
JessieWong wrote:

NBA and WNBA is different gender, not a suitable comparison to vegetarian and non vegetarian 😂

Incorrect.  It's not only a suitable comparison but a very incisive one.  What's more,  the NBA isn't a different gender,  it's not a men's league.  Women would participate if there were good enough female players.   Only the WNBA is a gender specific league.   Just like people who eat optimally consume vegetables, and the best diets DO include things that vegetarians can eat,  meanwhile vegetarians exclude themselves from the best diets.   

 

  

JessieWong

I won't say that just because those vegetarian Indian players who didn't achieved top 10 or top 5 aren't good players. They are all very excellent already regardless of their personal eating habits!! Sometimes being on top list is not just only need hard work and efforts , but also need some extraordinary talent, it's not easy!

JessieWong
HexyAndINoed wrote:
JessieWong wrote:

NBA and WNBA is different gender, not a suitable comparison to vegetarian and non vegetarian 😂

Incorrect.  It's not only a suitable comparison but a very incisive one.  What's more,  the NBA isn't a different gender,  it's not a men's league.  Women would participate if there were good enough female players.   Only the WNBA is a gender specific league.   Just like people who eat optimally consume vegetables, and the best diets DO include things that vegetarians can eat,  meanwhile vegetarians exclude themselves from the best diets.   

 

  

Oh I see, NBA didn't decline women to participate, but that make sense because women players need to be strong, fast, tall enough, and athletic as men like in NBA which is nearly impossible due to nature differences. This has nothing to do with nutrient intake...

HexyAndINoed
JessieWong wrote:

I won't say that just because those vegetarian Indian players who didn't achieved top 10 or top 5 aren't good players. They are all very excellent already regardless of their personal eating habits!! Sometimes being on top list is not just only need hard work and efforts , but also need some extraordinary talent, it's not easy!

They can be good players,  they are just at a qualitive disadvantage vs the people who eat better than vegetarians can.   There are lots of things that differentiate how much time people can afford to invest in chess (Financial stability,  time,  interest and liberty) , how effectively they can work (Their intelligence, resources,  interest and environment) How much aptitude a person has,   what their goals are going to be,  how prepared they are to meet them.   A person's diet includes some of millions of variables,  and there are usually bigger factors.  I also think the difference between the best and the rest is usually much bigger than what I would attribute from dietary choices,  assuming both parties are at least reasonable.

 

Still, vegetarianism ,  the only question is how severe or minor that disadvantage really is.  Like the OP indicated,  there are at least 1 or 2 competitive vegetarian players in chess,  and Anand is famous enough that I know who he is despite being very new and uninvolved in both chess and chess history.   

 

I think if you aren't the best chess player in the world being a vegetarian isn't a great excuse,  and that you have bigger things holding you back.   If that was really your greatest fault,  weakness or inadequacy,  you probably WOULD be the best player.    

JessieWong

I still suggest that being top 10,20 or top 100 chess players hasn't to do with vegetarianism.

The only largest influences are their efforts and nature talents in chess for example how much they invest their time in practicing and also a little bit of instinct. Being vegetarian doesn't necessary mean lack of nutrient, or huge handicap in improving a board game skill, unless that players didn't eat anything for few days😅

HexyAndINoed
JessieWong wrote:

I still suggest that being top 10,20 or top 100 chess players hasn't to do with vegetarianism.

The only largest influences are their efforts and nature talents in chess for example how much they invest their time in practicing and also a little bit of instinct.

That's uninformed.  Vegetarianism is at least somewhat detrimental to one's health when better options are available.  To say it has "nothing" to do with your performance is simply incorrect.   Perhaps what you mean to claim is that it has less to do with performance than a player's aptitude or investment ,  that would actually be valid.  

JessieWong

Although there do vegetarian people who recklessly ignore balance diets, but at the same time there's also non vegetarian people like us who didn't achieved balance nutrient intake too, and they get ill. So it's not about vegetarianism or non vegetarian , its the knowledge of choice of taking healthy food and good habits.

HexyAndINoed
JessieWong wrote:

Although there do vegetarian people who recklessly ignore balance diets, but at the same time there's also non vegetarian people like us who didn't achieved balance nutrient intake too, and they get ill. So it's not about vegetarianism or non vegetarian , its the knowledge of taking healthy food and good habits.

Well,  duh.  There are people who are morbidly obese because they eat too much crap.  Just like there are strong players and weak players,  there are people who eat well and who eat poorly.  However,  vegetarianism is still a disadvantage because it limits you from an optimal diet.   You can have a very GOOD diet,  but you will never balance your nutrition as well as the people who eat better than vegetarians can. 

 

You're comparing WNBA to NBA.   

JessieWong

Yes that's my point , vegetarian and know how to pick healthy choice of food is two different thing. Hence the only thing that affect chess performance is picking whether the food choice is healthy or not.

JessieWong

I'm not comparing NBA and WNBA anymore, that's not equivalent to be compare to Vege and non Vege

HexyAndINoed
JessieWong wrote:

Yes that's my point , vegetarian and know how to pick healthy choice of food is two different thing. Hence the only thing that affect chess performance is picking whether the food choice is healthy or not.

It's a qualitive difference.  The best vegetarian diet is still inferior to diets that are explicitly better than vegetarian only diets.  Not all nutrients and sources are created equal,  you can have a good and healthy diet from vegetarianism,  it's just less healthy and less rewarding than the top 1% of other diets.   You're doing better than most people,  but you'll never do as well as some of us.  

JessieWong

So it's true, no matter youre vegetarian or non vegetarian, you still have the chance to be unhealthy for example obesity. So vegetarian should be blame for such unhealthy condition actually, but it's unhealthy eating habit should be blame.

JessieWong

Inferior, I don't those vegetarians diets are inferior to me. Even though I'm not vegetarian but I respect them for their healthy condition and be able to do well in chess career.