Is Covid-19 Getting Better Part 1

Because then the unvaccinated might get Covid with a 99.997% chance if survival for most human beings

That would be bad for the unvaccinated

Because….you know.

That about sums it up. 

   Your gonna talk about mis-information while wearing a TRUMP shirt.?             YOUR gonna talk about mis-information while "IDENTIFYING" as vaccinated but having never gotten the shot.?     (sorry about the wait....I really did have to take someone to the store for medicine).

Well said Ron ! 👍

Yes well said Ron totally relevant to the conversation way to go!

I’ll provide peer reviewed links from Harvard and you comment on a t shirt!

   You want me to talk about the thread title.?......Ok....                                                                                                                                 https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html?auth=link-dismiss-google1tap           There's a lot of data there but it seems to be moving to the midwest.  For the most part, New York, Florida, and everything east of the Mississippi seems to be out of the woods......I hope.

@UnclePeet (Because then the unvaccinated might get Covid with a 99.997% chance if survival for most human beings

That would be bad for the unvaccinated

Because….you know.)
the mortality rate is about 3% not 0.003%

The mortality rate is NOT 3%

It needs to be broken down by AGE and by HEALTH.

The average age of Covid death is ABOVE LIFE EXPECTANCY.

Fact.

Drs Ioannidis & Axfors at Stanford

Age Infection Survival Rate
0-19 99.9973%
20-29 99.986%
30-39 99.969%
40-49 99.918%
50-59 99.73%
60-69 99.41%
70+ 97.6% (non-inst.)
70+ 94.5% (all)

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.08.21260210v1

These numbers mirror the CDC numbers that were put out a year ago but weren’t broken down by age as detailed as this one.

This one of far more current and uses all the data we currently have.

Covid is NOT dangerous to the vast majority of human beings on earth.

And even THOSE rates are not accurate.

The CDC has reported that ACTUAL CASES could be as much as TWENTY TIMES more than what is reported.

That would turn the case fatality rate into MICROSCOPIC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/21/coronavirus-cases-are-likely-10-to-20-times-higher-in-us-than-reported-former-fda-chief-gottlieb-says.html

Furthermore the CDC reports that an enormous 94% of all Covid deaths had 1 or more pre existing conditions

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm?fbclid=IwAR3-wrg3tTKK5-9tOHPGAHWFVO3DfslkJ0KsDEPQpWmPbKtp6EsoVV2Qs1Q

Listen….I know you guys enjoy your fear porn…but there is literally mountains of data now.

All from legit sources like Stanford, Harvard, the CDC etc.

Covid isn’t what you think it is, you can stop living in fear.

And the vaccines aren’t effective at preventing infection.

It’s hard to say what the mortality rate is because we don’t know how many people have had it or how many people have died from it.

A lot of cases have never been officially reported, people have isolated until they are over it. My mrs had it officially and became a statistic. I had symptoms but never became a statistic as I just stayed in until I was over it.

And if you look at excess deaths country by country you will see there has been a higher than normal death rate, higher than the number accounted for by the official COVID death rate stats.

I cannot believe the mortality rate is 3%. That’s 1 in every 33 who gets it dies. I suspect it’s more like 1 in a couple of hundred or so or even higher. And like Pete says age and health are accepted as being important factors in the likely hood of it killing you. So even if the rate is around 1 in 200 it is likely that that one is older or unwell to start with.

Truth is, no one really knows.

Over the past month a good friend died from Covid. He was 58 years old, extremely over weight, and had no other underlying conditions. Another family friend is 40, and he’s still in the hospital. He’s in good shape, no comorbid conditions, and he was in an induced coma for two weeks on a ventilator. He was given a very small chance of surviving. In both cases they were not vaccinated. I know hundreds of people who have had Covid that are either very young and healthy, or they were vaccinated, and none of them has been hospitalized. All of my adult children have had Covid, and none of them are vaccinated, and they all said it was just a bad cold/flu. The neighbor kid is 15 and just recovered. He had no serious symptoms. I have many friends and family members on healthcare, and they all tell me the same thing. The hospital on our area is filled with unvaccinated Covid patients. The few who are vaccinated and hospitalized, every case is one of serious comorbid conditions that are already killing the patient. 

I’m not sure there is any debate that the vaccines help prevent hospitalization and death, but at this point I am still of the opinion that it is a personal choice. If a person chooses not to get the vaccine, they hurt nobody except the other people who choose not to vaccinate. 

@UnclePeet (And the vaccines aren’t effective at preventing infection.)
Phizer vaccine is 70 percent effective at preventing infection and 90 percent effective at preventing hospitalization (CDC)
(Note: sorry about the three percent mortality statistic, it was outdated. The actual stat is one percent. For reference flu’s mortality rate is less than 0.1 percent)

Your stat is incorrect.

It is not detailed enough to be taken seriously.

I gave you stats on survivability broken up by age group….which so far more accurate than lumping a 99 year old man with a 19 year old athlete.

The numbers come from Stanford. Hardly a conspiracy theory group.

Show your stat from the CDC saying the offset vaccine is 70% effective.

Remember the link I provided you is both published and peer reviewed; from Harvard and dated from October of this year it is very current.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7018e1.htm&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjW7e3euPjzAhWQZ80KHbL2AGMQFnoECAoQAg&usg=AOvVaw2GSCX9WLWkxRZStH7RkjSg

That’s from 7 months ago

The Harvard report is from October.

Peer reviewed and Published in the European Journal of Epidemiology

Weather it stops a large percent of cases or not, it is undeniable that the Phizer vaccine prevents at least 80% of hospitalizations.

This may be useful
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiO-vHUvPjzAhWXHc0KHTrbC3sQFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw0x4-HeusbZ8LiM99cwWQ-2