The progressive war on science

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JamieDelarosa

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-progressive-war-on-science/article21821297/

The Globe and Mail, Margaret Wente

An epidemic of whooping cough has broken out in California. Not long ago, this ancient scourge had been banished by modern medicine. But now it’s back, thanks to people who believe modern medicine is dangerous.

These folks are not ignorant backwoods hicks. Many of them have advanced degrees. They live in some of the nicest neighbourhoods on Earth – places like Marin County, Napa and Malibu. But they believe that vaccines cause autism or worse....

Yet it’s conservatives – religious, less educated, less wealthy and certainly less liberal – who are generally condemned for dogmatically refusing to embrace science. After all, they’re the knuckle-draggers who believe that evolution is just a story and that global warming is a crock. In Canada, a week is not complete without another denunciation of Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s so-called war on science.

But what about the progressives’ war on science? That war actually kills people....

In Canada, the progressive war on science is aimed squarely at the energy industry. A large number of Canadians believe that anything connected to fossil fuels is inherently suspect. It’s not just global warming – it’s that they are thought to be inherently dangerous. They leak, spill, kill birds, devastate natural spaces and poison our earth, water and air. One reason nobody can get a pipeline built these days is because of ridiculously exaggerated safety fears. Yet pipelines are a robust and relatively safe technology, vastly improved over the past 60 years. The United States alone has 2.5 millions miles of them, and while their safety record isn’t perfect, it’s vastly better than other ways of moving the stuff around.

The war on fracking is also entirely ideological. Any new technology will have challenges, but the National Academy of Sciences, MIT, and other bodies with no axes to grind say that fracking is safeEnvironmentalists should love it, because natural gas emits far less carbon than oil. Instead, they want to ban it. They’ve persuaded Nova Scotia and New Brunswick that it’s evil. Without fracking and without a pipeline to the east, Eastern Canada will keep importing foreign oil. Does that make sense? Only to progressives.

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kleelof

Science should be questioned every step of the way. More damage has been done to The Earth and humans through science than all the religious zealots have done over the millenia.

The author of this article does not do much to convince. He even supports fracking which has TONS of evidence that it is not safe for the environment.

vacation4me

Liberals never let facts stand in their way.

mcris

Whether you burn domestic or imported oil, the CO2 emission is the same. THIS is what Science tells us. Smile

@kleelof: I agree to disagree - by its name itself, Science is Knowledge (whereas Religion is (blindly) Belief). How can Knowledge be blamed? Sometimes it can be wrongfully applied, ok.

kleelof
mcris wrote:

 Science is Knowledge (whereas Religion is (blindly) Belief). How can Knowledge be blamed? Sometimes it can be wrongfully applied, ok.

Yes, another one of the great superstitions of science; knowledge is good.

The beliefe in science is just as riddled with superstitions and lies as any religion.

People believe science is the answer to everything. Yet, its application is often more detrimental than the problem was.

The goal of science is to overcome nature and the things in nature that threaten our health and well being. How can this be right? How can it be right to continue finding ways to keep an ever growing and dangerous population of humans alive to consume and destroy nature?

Asking how can science be blamed is about like asking how religion can be blamed for all the things people like to blame it for. When you look at science zealots and religious zealots, you will see, they are much more alike than different.

vacation4me
kleelof wrote:

People believe science is the answer to everything.

The problem with science is that if enough people repeat it, then it will be considered true.  For a decade, Gore (who runs the carbon exchange market) has been screaming about global warming.  It has been proven false many times.  Personally, I blame soccer for the lack of truth in science. 

kleelof

Soccer has been nothing but trouble especially since the English decided to stop calling it soccer and start calling it football.

vacation4me

It goes back even further.  You used to be able to throw the ball in soccer.  One year, a team decided to practice every day.  They started to be pretty good at throwing and went undefeated.  The other teams complained that the winning team practiced and worked harder than they did.  The rise of Socialism & liberalism agreed with the slackers and wanted to punish the hard workers.  They outlawed using your hands.  To this day, you cannot use your hands in soccer.

kleelof

Damned science and libralism. Ruins everything.

kleelof

primepawn

Carl Sagan believed in science ; where did it get him ?  lol

mcris
AaronGo wrote:
kleelof wrote:

People believe science is the answer to everything.

The problem with science is that if enough people repeat it, then it will be considered true.  For a decade, Gore (who runs the carbon exchange market) has been screaming about global warming.  It has been proven false many times.  Personally, I blame soccer for the lack of truth in science. 

You people are soooo far from what is Science. Without IT, you couldn't write and play chess on this website because Internet would not exist! And yes, global warming is real, see on Wikipedia (or do you think it is liberal?)

vacation4me

Even the liberals are not calling it global warming anymore.  That is why they are calling it Climate Change.  You might be too young to remember the 70s, but global freezing was the big thing.

No matter where you stand, I think we all can agree that soccer is the root of all evil.

ackyou

I'm having a hard time telling whose sarcastic or not. It's freaking me out. 

ackyou

I would agree that fracking and pipelines are not nearly as bad as people say, but I am very strongly against using fossil fuels at all. Climate change is going to cost us way more in the long run than more regulations right now will. The only way that alternative fuels can overtake oil is through high gas prices, so I'm in favor of anything that brings up gas prices(to a reasonable level). Natural gas releases less CO2, so although not ideal, I'm in favor of more fracking. 

Sred
AaronGo wrote:

It has been proven false many times. 

I'd ask you to give an example, but I don't feel like inspecting the pseudo science you'd come up with.

Sred
AaronGo wrote:

Even the liberals are not calling it global warming anymore.  That is why they are calling it Climate Change.  You might be too young to remember the 70s, but global freezing was the big thing.

No matter where you stand, I think we all can agree that soccer is the root of all evil.

There is no such thing like soccer. There are just clueless people who use this word for football.

JamieDelarosa

"Soccer is the biggest thing that's happened in creation. It's bigger than any 'ism' you can name."

- George Best

kleelof
mcris wrote:
AaronGo wrote:
kleelof wrote:

People believe science is the answer to everything.

The problem with science is that if enough people repeat it, then it will be considered true.  For a decade, Gore (who runs the carbon exchange market) has been screaming about global warming.  It has been proven false many times.  Personally, I blame soccer for the lack of truth in science. 

You people are soooo far from what is Science. Without IT, you couldn't write and play chess on this website because Internet would not exist! And yes, global warming is real, see on Wikipedia (or do you think it is liberal?)

Science,like Christianity, has produced some useful things. The problem really is that there are so many very destructive and dangerous things that have been created in the name of science. 

kleelof