The progressive war on science

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JamieDelarosa

Reminds me of the women who went to she her doctor.  He asked her, "Madam, what's the priblem?"

She replied, "This is terribly embarrassing, Doctor, but I fart constantly.  The only saving grace is that they are silent and perfectly odorless.  In fact, I have been farting while we speak."

The Doctor immediately took out his pad and wrote a prescription.

The woman looked at it and said, "This is a nasal decongestant!"

The Doctor replied, "Yes, your sense of smell is clearly off."

kleelof
JamieDelarosa wrote:

Reminds me of the women who went to she her doctor.  He asked her, "Madam, what's the priblem?"

She replied, "This is terribly embarrassing, Doctor, but I fart constantly.  The only saving grace is that they are silent and perfectly odorless.  In fact, I have been farting while we speak."

The Doctor immediately took out his pad and wrote a prescription.

The woman looked at it and said, "This is a nasal decongestant!"

The Doctor replied, "Yes, your sense of smell is clearly off."

How in the world did this thread remind you of this joke?

I htink you just wanted to tell a joke.Laughing

odisea777
kleelof wrote:

Science should be questioned every step of the way. More damage has been done to The Earth and humans through science than all the religious zealots have done over the millenia.

The author of this article does not do much to convince. He even supports fracking which has TONS of evidence that it is not safe for the environment.

I agree. There are always unforeseen side effects. Science should proceed cautiously and, dare I say, humbly. 

AlCzervik
kleelof wrote:

I uderstand about people who think so highly about science. Do you? It really is no different than the religious zealots out there; ready to point out why their belief is the right one. Please, tell us more about this difference you understand so well. And, that's OK. We're all human and are prone to this problem.

How do you know knowledge is so great? Just because it has done a few useful things? Yeah, only a few... Because it makes you feel like you have something when you have it?

There is absolutely NO PROOF that more knowledge makes the world a better place. Sounds like you need more knowledge.

Think about splitting the atom. 2 Of science's biggest creations are based on splitting the atom (atomic bomb and atomic energy) and both of them have caused more harm to humans and the Earth than any benefits have been derrived.

History is full of this; vaccines to cure that hurt, medicines that do nothing to cure you, chemicals that pollute The Earth, technology that distracts to the point that this knowledge people talk so highly of cannot even be consumed and processed to a useful level by an ever growing number of young people.

Yeah. I won't lie. I like some of the things science has produced. But, like so many things out there, it is dangerous in the hands of humans.

You might be dangerous.

kleelof
AlCzervik wrote:
kleelof wrote:

I uderstand about people who think so highly about science. Do you? It really is no different than the religious zealots out there; ready to point out why their belief is the right one. Please, tell us more about this difference you understand so well. And, that's OK. We're all human and are prone to this problem.

How do you know knowledge is so great? Just because it has done a few useful things? Yeah, only a few... Because it makes you feel like you have something when you have it?

There is absolutely NO PROOF that more knowledge makes the world a better place. Sounds like you need more knowledge.

Think about splitting the atom. 2 Of science's biggest creations are based on splitting the atom (atomic bomb and atomic energy) and both of them have caused more harm to humans and the Earth than any benefits have been derrived.

History is full of this; vaccines to cure that hurt, medicines that do nothing to cure you, chemicals that pollute The Earth, technology that distracts to the point that this knowledge people talk so highly of cannot even be consumed and processed to a useful level by an ever growing number of young people.

Yeah. I won't lie. I like some of the things science has produced. But, like so many things out there, it is dangerous in the hands of humans.

You might be dangerous.

Only when you put a beer and microphone in my hand on karaoke night.Laughing

AlCzervik

Anything that'll keep you from reproducing.

kleelof
AlCzervik wrote:

Anything that'll keep you from reproducing.

Yeah, you woulda' thought that would have worked. 

pitter-patter......

Laughing

Syd_Arthur

Why would the Progressive Insurance Company have a "War On Science"?

Seems rather far-fetched.

ToweringAir

Well, Margaret Wente is a conservative journalist after all.

JamieDelarosa

What did she get wrong in her essay?

fabelhaft

Criticism of the fossil fuel business doesn't have to be an example of a progressive war on science killing the citizens.

denner
kleelof wrote:
Elroch wrote:
kleelof wrote:
mcris wrote:

 Science is Knowledge (whereas Religion is (blindly) Belief). How can Knowledge be blamed? Sometimes it can be wrongfully applied, ok.

Yes, another one of the great superstitions of science; knowledge is good.

Ridiculous: knowledge enables informed decisions. Knowledge has saved your life on many occasions.

The beliefe in science is just as riddled with superstitions and lies as any religion.

Nonsense.

People believe science is the answer to everything. Yet, its application is often more detrimental than the problem was.

Some people believe a lot of nonsense. Scientists don't believe science is the answer to everything. It is the answer to all questions about the general _behaviour_ of the natural world (even the ones we haven't answered yet, and the parts heavily influenced by humans, which some people forget are natural as well). 

That is its realm.

The goal of science is to overcome nature and the things in nature that threaten our health and well being.

No it is not. This is an error well worth flagging.

Science is about knowledge: _technology_ and _engineering_ are about using that knowledge. This includes fields such as medicine, which is an application of scientific knowledge.

How can this be right? How can it be right to continue finding ways to keep an ever growing and dangerous population of humans alive to consume and destroy nature?

You seem to be discussing policy issues and confusing them with scientific knowledge.

Or perhaps your point is that it is evil to have the knowledge to be able to grow more food, because someone might use it? This seems ridiculous. Even in the cases of the most dangerous technologies arising from science (eg nuclear bombs) these are emphatically the result of government policy, not science working in isolation. And of course, nuclear bombs are a technology, not science.

Asking how can science be blamed is about like asking how religion can be blamed for all the things people like to blame it for. When you look at science zealots and religious zealots, you will see, they are much more alike than different.

Except they are not. I have worked quite a few years in a scientific research in the public and private sectors, and I can assure you it is a mixture of being an academic researcher, a commercial consultant, and a source of information for governments to make informed policy decisions, and none of them is at all like being a zealot.

If this was intended to be ironic, it did a great job! Otherwise, not so great. 

Nope, not ironic at all. 100% The truth.

I uderstand about people who think so highly about science. It really is no different than the religious zealots out there; ready to point out why their belief is the right one. And, that's OK. We're all human and are prone to this problem.

How do you know knowledge is so great? Just because it has done a few useful things? Because it makes you feel like you have something when you have it?

There is absolutely NO PROOF that more knowledge makes the world a better place. 

Think about splitting the atom. 2 Of science's biggest creations are based on splitting the atom (atomic bomb and atomic energy) and both of them have caused more harm to humans and the Earth than any benefits have been derrived.

History is full of this; vaccines to cure that hurt, medicines that do nothing to cure you, chemicals that pollute The Earth, technology that distracts to the point that this knowledge people talk so highly of cannot even be consumed and processed to a useful level by an ever growing number of young people.

Yeah. I won't lie. I like some of the things science has produced. But, like so many things out there, it is dangerous in the hands of humans.

first off nicely done Elroch, the red comments are spot on.

second, kleeof what would you have? a world where we all live in teepees? die at 45 (that's old age) from a brutal hand to mouth existance? do you want to watch your children die of dirrhea or a simple infection? your arguments make ZERO sense. you cannot "undo" science. science is not evil. it is the usage of our magnificent brains to unravel the secrets of this universe we find ourselves in. or does your book already have all those answers?

Iluvsmetuna

Yes, lets all live in teepees and die at 45. Good idea and brilliantly deduced from Kleelofs post! Genius man!

The gulf between knowledge and intelligence seems difficult to bridge for those who burned their bridges.

denner

listen tunabreath, science is the only reason you and I can have this conversation and kleeof seems definitely and unresonably anti-science. And anyway I was was being a bit sarcastic. dont let the mercury get your brain all in fever.

Iluvsmetuna

Come at me bro!

Pretending to be under 10 won't get you any special treatment.

Hard to believe there are so many grown adults here who are still at the level of name-calling. Oh well, whatever floats yer boat.

denner

guess I was too late with the mercury advice.

Oh and a bit hypocritical aren't you?

Iluvsmetuna

Did I call you a bad name.

Oh I'm so sorry bootins!

You know where you can stick your mercury.

denner

wow you're an angry one. down boy. or are you a girl?

denner

I didn't realize calling someone that  luvstuna "tunabreath" was bad. Get over yourself.

Iluvsmetuna

Denner beats his chest and confesses to not knowing basic stuff

(although having said that, it could be that he feels that brushing his teeth is unnecessary).