Unfossilized Dinosaur

 Fresh dinosaur bones have been discovered in Alaska that is not permineralized (unfossilized).  You can read about it by typing in on Google at Geological Society of America Vol.17 pg. 548. Exciting for those interested in paleontology.

Cool beans, thanks for the post.

Awesome!

Thanks for the info

http://www.earthage.org/youngearthev/evidence_for_a_young_earth.htm

Platolag, thanks for the website. I put it in a folder to read later on. It looks real good.

Nothing but a bunch of long-disproven and debunked arguments for a young earth/universe.  If the universe is so young, why can we see light from stars which are tens of thousands of light years (or more) away?

As far as the original post about supposedly unfossilized dinosaur bones:

http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/Unfossilized_dinosaur_bones

Creationists claim to have found "unfossilized" dinosaur bones in Alaska. This would invalidate evolutionary scenarios, they say, because it takes millions of years for bones to fossilize.

Source

• Buddy Davis, Mike Liston, and John Whitmore. 1998. The Great Alaskan Dinosaur Adventure: Master Books, Green Forest, Arkansas.

Responses

1. None of the "unfossilized" bones have ever been examined by a reputable dinosaur palaeontologist... John Horner or Phil Currie, for example. This fact alone makes the entire claim suspect.
2. The creationists involved in this "adventure" were not qualified to make any of the conclusions that were made. Buddy Davis is a model sculptor. George Detwiler is a math teacher. Mike Liston is the owner of an outdoor gear company. Dan Specht is a dentist. John Whitmore has a B.S. in geology, but his M.S. is from the ICR, which is by association useless in fieldwork.
3. None of the pictures in their book, which they claim to be "unfossilized," actually appear to be "unfossilized" to the trained eye.
4. These creationists readily admit in their book that, at one point in their "adventure," they were fooled by a piece of driftwood, thinking it was a dinosaur bone. A real, scientifically trained eye would not have been fooled as easily as they were.
5. These creationists readily admit that they did not concentrate entirely on the Cretaceous Lipscomb Bone Bed, in which they did find completely fossilized duckbill dinosaur bones. They admit to digging through several layers of mud and permafrost, where they found what they called "unfossilized" dinosaur bones. Seeing as how mastodon and mammoth bones are common in permafrost layers, it is safe to assume this is what these creationists actually found, not dinosaur bones. Mastodon and mammoth bones commonly do not show the same level of fossilization that heavily permineralized dinosaur bones do. To the untrained creationist eye, these bones would easily be mistaken for dinosaur bones.
6. The claims of these creationists is further suspect because, in their book, which was published in 1998, they claimed that the "unfossilized" dinosaur bones would undergo extensive tests to validate their "unfossilizedness." As to date, 2007, no results have yet to be published.

I would have posted the evidence for an "old" earth, but it would drain chess.com's bandwidth.

The bones sound pretty cool. Did they say why they were not fossilized?

What's funny is that YEC's (Young-Earth Creationists) also claim that dinosaur bones can be fossilized in a short amount of time.

I went to the GSA's website, and while there is a John Whitmore who is a professor in the field, I did not find the article in question. A google search gave this page as the number one result.

N2UHC   Im not a scientist, I only know what I read and I'm not willing to lose any friends by debating (not that you are) the evidence of which I have never once seen with my own eyes.

 I've read a few books by Hugh Ross who is a Christian and scientist. He claims he can give testifiable evidence that the universe is 15 billion years old and that it was created in six days.  (in his book, More than just a theory).  I know relativity allows for an old universe and a young earth simultaneously.

 He has created what he calls "the R.T.B. model", it is flexable and seems to be able to predict better than all the other models.

 From another book (The science of God) I found that the earth ages a million million times faster than the universe does.  A million million years divided into 15 billion years equals 6-24 hr. days.  Making an old earth and young universe.  What is possible with relativity may or may not be true in the big U.

 Both these theorys contradict but the R.T.B. model seems to have gained a lot of traction over the years. Its interesting.

If you want to believe in your religion, believe in your religion.  But don't try to prove it using science, because Christians always end up looking foolish when they do.

Proof only comes in prayer.  Hugh Ross is the guy who shows that the evidence goes beyond reasonable doubt.

Anybody who says they have more than a theory, has less than a theory.

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