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 Anyone interested in discussing The Wallstreet protests? If so lets support the people I say. End corporate personhood. Punish those who sank our economy.

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Big corporations have the right to charge what they want for their products/services, this is after all, a capitalist country.  But when a company is posting losses and ceo's are paying themselves millions upon millions there is something wrong.  Their greed doesn't just affect us at the cash register.  It's the layoff's, factory closure's and gov't bail outs that really screw us 99%.  OCCUPY!

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Perhaps you can tell me what exactly the Wall Street Protesters are trying to achieve ? To me, it appears their only message is that they are frustrated with the corporations whom they blame for the economic woes. But what exactly are they hoping to achieve with the ptotest?

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   They're trying to change gov. policy regarding the citizens united ruling which allows unlimited undisclosed corporate campaign contributions that effectively takes away the people's voice.That will kill democracy.

  That's the main thiung as I understand it anyway. 

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I think it's great that the people are finally being heard.  The ruling elite in this country are so far removed from reality that they are living in la la land.  Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.  I imagine our founding fathers are rolling in there graves over how far a stray we have drifted from the principals that they tried to instill when they created our government.  Is it fair that they, the people in charge, led us, the country that had the most viable economy in the world, to financial oblivion?  Someone is going to have to pay for what they have done.  The corporate elite and our government want you and I to shoulder the mountain of debt that they have created.  I say no way.  What do you say?

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Let's see...Americans, overall, love money, war, celebrity, and their own ignorance. Good luck!

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Occupy Wall Street Current Official Demands, Voting Closed Oct. 21, 2011


By Ralph Lopez - Posted on 23 October 2011

At the official Occupy Wall Street media site coupmedia.org. Voting software prevents voting from the same ISP more than once. The following is an initial demands list on which voting closed on Oct. 21, 2011.   Items required a vote of 2/3 "yes" or more to remain on the list.  Voting is still open on other demands.

From "Occupy Wall Street - Official Demands"

The Sovereign People's Movement, represented nationally through the people occupying the various Liberty Square locations across this great country, have laid out and democratically submitted and are currently voting on the list of following Demands to then be distilled into one Unified Common demand of the people.

Demand synopses

Official Voting Page

OCCUPY WALL STREET OFFICIAL DEMANDS PASSED, AS OF OCT. 21, 2011

1. Repeal of the Patriot Act

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized." — Fourth Amendment to the Constitution

Forty-five days after 9/11, Congress passed the USA PATRIOT Act without reading it. This new law was supposed to protect you from terrorism, but it has really left you unprotected against lawless federal agents. The Patriot Act contains numerous violations of the Fourth Amendment. It gives federal agents vast new powers that have been abused to investigate innocent Americans.

2. ELIMINATE "PERSONHOOD" LEGAL STATUS FOR CORPORATIONS

3. Forced Acquisition of the Federal Reserve for $1Billion

No Congress, no President has been strong enough to stand up to the foreign-controlled Federal Reserve Bank. Yet there is a catch - one that President Kennedy recognized before he was slain - the original deal in 1913 creating the Federal Reserve Bank had a simple backout clause. The investors loaned the United States Government $1 billion. And the backout clause allows the United States to buy out the system for that $1 billion. If the Federal Reserve Bank were demolished and the Congress of the United States took control of the currency, as required in the Constitution, the National Debt would virtually end overnight, and the need for more taxes and even the income tax, itself. Thomas Jefferson was concise in his early warning to the American nation, "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

Article I, Section 8, Clause 5, of the United States Constitution provides that Congress shall have the power to coin money and regulate the value thereof and of any foreign coins. But that is not the case. The United States government has no power to issue money, control the flow of money, or to even distribute it - that belongs to a private corporation registered in the State of Delaware - the Federal Reserve Bank.

4. Re Investigate the Attacks of 9-11-2001

More and more evidence is being released to the public surrounding the suspicious circumstances surrounding 911. This measure would be included in the list of demands to show that the original investigation was significantly flawed.

5. What to name the Occupy Wall Street "Demands"

6. CONGRESS ENACT LEGISLATION TO PROTECT OUR DEMOCRACY BY REVERSING THE EFFECTS OF THE CITIZENS UNITED SUPREME COURT DECISION

which essentially said corporations can spend as much as they want on elections. The result is that corporations can pretty much buy elections. Corporations should be highly limited in ability to contribute to political campaigns no matter what the election and no matter what the form of media. This legislation should also RE-ESTABLISH THE PUBLIC AIRWAVES IN THE U.S. SO THAT POLITICAL CANDIDATES ARE GIVEN EQUAL TIME FOR FREE AT REASONABLE INTERVALS IN DAILY PROGRAMMING DURING CAMPAIGN SEASON. The same should extend to other media.

7. End the War On Drugs

The war on drugs has been going on for more than three decades. Today, nearly 500,000 Americans are imprisoned on drug charges. In 1980 the number was 50,000. Last year $40 billion in taxpayer dollars were spent in fighting the war on drugs. As a result of the incarceration obsession, the United States operates the largest prison system on the planet, and the U.S. nonviolent prisoner population is larger than the combined populations of Wyoming and Alaska. 21 Sep 2011 - 15:17 21 Oct 2011 - 17:17 6570

8. Require all Corporations to have Labour Representatives on Company Boards


9. National Repeal of Capital Punishment

10. Nationalize Health Care (ALSO SEE "REAL HEALTH CARE REFORM" BELOW, VOTE STILL OPEN)

11. Free education Kindergarten through college

Redraft education financing legislation. Lower educational expenses for students instead of raising tuition costs. Pull money form the "WAR" system to refund education and continuing education. Forgive Student Loan Dept or restructure the Student Loan System so that students are not punished for self improvement and made into corporate slaves upon educating themselves. Standardized testing does not account for stereotype effect or cultural differences in learning styles in elementry schools. Reform education to make it either free or affordable to all. Reappropriation of tax to focus on educations subsidies.


12. CONGRESS PASS HR 1489 ("RETURN TO PRUDENT BANKING ACT)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h112-1489 ). THIS REINSTATES MANY PROVISIONS OF THE GLASS-STEAGALL ACT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act --- Wiki entry summary: The repeal of provisions of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933 by the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act in 1999 effectively removed the separation that previously existed between investment banking which issued securities and commercial banks which accepted deposits. The deregulation also removed conflict of interest prohibitions between investment bankers serving as officers of commercial banks. Most economists believe this repeal directly contributed to the severity of the Financial crisis of 2007–2011 by allowing Wall Street investment banking firms to gamble with their depositors' money that was held in commercial banks owned or created by the investment firms. Here's detail on repeal in 1999 and how it happened: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass–Steagall_Act#Repeal .


13. Outlaw flash trading

14. End Gender Discrimination - Equal Pay for Women

15. Office of the Citizen

16. The United States must sign and ratify all human rights agreements with all other countries

17. USE CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORITY AND OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE APPROPRIATE FEDERAL AGENCIES FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE WALL STREET CRIMINALS

We want indictments and prosecutions of all crimes committed by banks, brokerage firms and insurance companies. We want a clear message sent to the entire financial industry, this will no longer be tolerated.


OCCUPY WALL STREET PROPOSALS ON WHICH VOTING IS STILL OPEN

Repeal REX-84 - Concerning Martial Law

The mechanism for declaring martial law could be quickly implemented and carried out under REX. The Cheney/Bush administration has a plan which would accommodate the detention of large numbers of American citizens during times of emergency. The plan is called REX 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984. Through Rex-84 an undisclosed number of concentration camps were set in operation throughout the United States, for internment of dissidents and others potentially harmful to the state. The Rex 84 Program was originally established on the reasoning that if a “mass exodus” of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Existence of the Rex 84 plan was first revealed during the Iran-Contra Hearings in 1987, and subsequently reported by the Miami Herald on July 5, 1987” These camps are to be operated by FEMA should martial law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general’s signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached.

Note: This demand is in the development process and has had this link placed here so that it might have opportunity to meet Quorum


Real Health Care Reform

Make Healthcare affordable and available to all without a "Mandate". Nearly all other countries on this planet have a system that works. Access to adequate health care is a human right not a privilage. (Accepting additional proposals)

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This seems to me to be a protest only for the sake of protesting. The aims are being made up as they go along. One day it will get too cold, they'll declare victory (having achieved nothing) and go home to play video games. This certainly is not the Sixties. Just a bunch of folks with nothing better to do.

The economy is in shambles because of Republican deregulation and a President, who started two wars without considering how they were going to be paid for. The villains are the right wing Republican policies. Camping out on a pavement for attention isn't going to cure this country's ills.  

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1pawndown wrote:

This seems to me to be a protest only for the sake of protesting.


"Perhaps you can tell me what exactly the Wall Street Protesters are trying to achieve ?"

So, now you know, but you don't care. Back to the baseball game...

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1pawndown wrote:

This seems to me to be a protest only for the sake of protesting. The aims are being made up as they go along. One day it will get too cold, they'll declare victory (having achieved nothing) and go home to play video games. This certainly is not the Sixties. Just a bunch of folks with nothing better to do.

The economy is in shambles because of Republican deregulation and a President, who started two wars without considering how they were going to be paid for. The villains are the right wing Republican policies. Camping out on a pavement for attention isn't going to cure this country's ills.  


Protests are meant stir up conversation and debate.  It is somewhat comical when someone says they don't understand the aims of a demonstration and then go on to talk about their opinions.

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!Pawndown, What news source do you get? It sounds like you blame the Repubs 

for the economy and the protests and progressives for trying to fix the mess that is congress and the Supreme court.The 99% probably include you.

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1pawndown wrote:

This seems to me to be a protest only for the sake of protesting. The aims are being made up as they go along. One day it will get too cold, they'll declare victory (having achieved nothing) and go home to play video games. This certainly is not the Sixties. Just a bunch of folks with nothing better to do.

The economy is in shambles because of Republican deregulation and a President, who started two wars without considering how they were going to be paid for. The villains are the right wing Republican policies. Camping out on a pavement for attention isn't going to cure this country's ills.  


 It seems that you not only have nothing to contribute to the conversation, but would rather knock a group of people who excercise their 1st amendment rights, than have an opinion leaning toward a solution. If you actually opened your eyes you'd see, that these protesters are at least trying to make a change.

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Let me get this straight America because of Wallstreet greed and corruption only cost america 8 Trillion dallors and destroyed the worlds economy ( credit default swabbs ) blackmailed the goverment because a billion jobs would be lost if we had not bailed them out, then gave themselves billions in bonuses. TREASON !!!! passed out Billions of dallors for BONUSES. Remember keep
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Don't forget the 7.7 trillion Bush and the fed loaned the major world banks in secret at .01% interest at the end of 08. Mainstream media won't even talk about this.

Don't believe it?  Google it.......

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"4. Re Investigate the Attacks of 9-11-2001

More and more evidence is being released to the public surrounding the suspicious circumstances surrounding 911. This measure would be included in the list of demands to show that the original investigation was significantly flawed."

 

Oh great, so the Occupy movement also seems to have a lot of 9/11 "truthers" in their ranks.  Having a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists on their side isn't going to help their cause much.

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N2UHC wrote

Oh great, so the Occupy movement also seems to have a lot of 9/11 "truthers" in their ranks.  Having a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists on their side isn't going to help their cause much.


It appears to me that a reinvestigation of what actually happened on 9/11/2001, is very reasonable.

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The 911 commision was so secretive and it's members very quiet about what they found.It smells really bad.I saw a documentary awhile back that exposed perfectly what may be the case.I would hate to think that we had our own gov. involved in that,but there are many unanswered questions.

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The trouble is that too many people think unanswered questions = massive government conspiracy!

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N2UHC wrote:

"4. Re Investigate the Attacks of 9-11-2001

More and more evidence is being released to the public surrounding the suspicious circumstances surrounding 911. This measure would be included in the list of demands to show that the original investigation was significantly flawed."

 

Oh great, so the Occupy movement also seems to have a lot of 9/11 "truthers" in their ranks.  Having a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists on their side isn't going to help their cause much.


 My thoughts exactly.

Oh, did we land on the moon? And where is bigfoot hiding? Maybe inside all the flying saucers we are storing at area 51?

Maybe it wont even matter because of the 2012 Mayan prophecies?