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Feb 15, 2016
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#221
I guess it's not just about listening though . It helps to talk through your ideas . I find that anyway
The 70's, there is no other era.
Olden days? How olden?
Feb 16, 2016
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#225
I was thinking about intelligence this morning .
So with eyesight a person can have perfect eyes , perfect vision . It's the same with a perfect brain , perfect intelligence .
Think though about what vision brings us . We don't create the reality we see it exists . Our eyesight just enables us to experience it.
So it's the same with intelligence , we don't create order , right and wrong , forces of nature , faster and more effective ways of doing things .
That's the conventional view but it's false . We just experience what can be done .
So with eyesight a person can have perfect eyes , perfect vision . It's the same with a perfect brain , perfect intelligence .
Think though about what vision brings us . We don't create the reality we see it exists . Our eyesight just enables us to experience it.
So it's the same with intelligence , we don't create order , right and wrong , forces of nature , faster and more effective ways of doing things .
That's the conventional view but it's false . We just experience what can be done .
Feb 16, 2016
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#226
It makes me wonder does anybody actually create anything .
When Lennon and McCartney wrote together did the lyrics and melodies come from them or did they just observe them .
I heard Paul McCartney talk about how he dreamed the lyrics to yesterday .
What are our thoughts anyway ? Are they different than ideas ?
When Lennon and McCartney wrote together did the lyrics and melodies come from them or did they just observe them .
I heard Paul McCartney talk about how he dreamed the lyrics to yesterday .
What are our thoughts anyway ? Are they different than ideas ?
Feb 16, 2016
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#227
Oh . Well I'm thinking that Ella Fitzgerald singing moonlight serenade is a perfect example of what I'm talking about .
For me that's beautiful music . I just love the gentle piano and soft strings
For me that's beautiful music . I just love the gentle piano and soft strings
Feb 16, 2016
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#228
I suppose Einstein was an example of a person that has a brain that was close to perfect .
Interestingly he saw some of the truth that exists through visualisation. An example of which is imagining being on a beam of light .
That's noticing the truth in the sense of he imagined what he'd find , but creative in terms of selecting a reality to imagine
Interestingly he saw some of the truth that exists through visualisation. An example of which is imagining being on a beam of light .
That's noticing the truth in the sense of he imagined what he'd find , but creative in terms of selecting a reality to imagine
Feb 16, 2016
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#229
I wonder what we'd know if we knew everything . I think if we knew everything we'd be perfectly peaceful. It reminds me of when I'm stuck in a traffic jam. If I don't know why the traffic jam is there I'm frustrated and upset yet when I do I calm .
I believe there is a natural explanation for absolutely everything and if we have an idea of what these explanations are we'll be comfortable
I believe there is a natural explanation for absolutely everything and if we have an idea of what these explanations are we'll be comfortable
Feb 16, 2016
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#230
This thread has brought me some of this comfort . I've at least come to realise that what we are is a natural thing
Feb 16, 2016
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#231
I'm interested in nature now though .
I guess hawking and others have convinced me that the universe happened naturally . Without will or intelligent design .
I guess hawking and others have convinced me that the universe happened naturally . Without will or intelligent design .
Feb 16, 2016
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#232
Perhaps what I need to see logically now is that our thoughts and feelings abs behaviour happen naturally too .
I already know this through experience. I see we just do what we want and don't choose what we want .
I guess though just as I to learn that a force like gravity created the universe , created time as we know it , happened naturally without will or intelligence , so I have to learn that what we do and say happens naturally too without an independent will or intelligence
I already know this through experience. I see we just do what we want and don't choose what we want .
I guess though just as I to learn that a force like gravity created the universe , created time as we know it , happened naturally without will or intelligence , so I have to learn that what we do and say happens naturally too without an independent will or intelligence
Feb 16, 2016
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#233
I mean really it's a supernatural idea this idea we have free will and control our destiny .
The natural truth is that causality is king . Where does this idea that suddenly we, this minuscule specks of matter , became free from causality and were able to control the flow of the universe . It's so incredibly ego centric it's untrue
The natural truth is that causality is king . Where does this idea that suddenly we, this minuscule specks of matter , became free from causality and were able to control the flow of the universe . It's so incredibly ego centric it's untrue
Feb 16, 2016
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#234
Ziggy I'm not here for you I'm
here for me . You made me laugh though . Thank you
here for me . You made me laugh though . Thank you
Feb 16, 2016
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#235
I'm about to take a nap though , so tired . Ziggy if I was sure I wasn't making progress Id give up but I'm confident I am
Feb 16, 2016
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#236
And yet our thoughts and feelings and behaviour clearly aren't random . We definitely behave in a way as to get what we want . I think that's inescapable. So even if it's true the creation of the universe was something that occurred without intelligence or design , it's clear that there i is intelligence with life forms
Feb 16, 2016
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#237
We can see though through the existence of our subconscious that this intelligence isn't particular to what we define as us, our conscious minds
Feb 16, 2016
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#238
That being true I don't particularly see why it couldn't also be true that there is an intelligence behind things like our skin being able to heal and our bodies being able to recover from infection .
Feb 16, 2016
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#239
I think we human beings have a tendency to believe that we own things . We own our behaviour / we have free will/ , we own life / we have a soul , I think the reality is we don't own anything
Feb 16, 2016
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#240
Okay maybe you're right Ziggy . But I'm happy though and there's a value to that right ?
You know I've had a lot of things said to me and about me while I've been on this thread but there's one thing that no one can legitimately say , I don't let people express their opinion .
You know I know some people don't believe in me as a person and that's okay , but I believe in all you guys and from my own point of view everyone here on this thread is free to say what they want when they want
You know I've had a lot of things said to me and about me while I've been on this thread but there's one thing that no one can legitimately say , I don't let people express their opinion .
You know I know some people don't believe in me as a person and that's okay , but I believe in all you guys and from my own point of view everyone here on this thread is free to say what they want when they want