Why are over-the-board time controls so long??

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Optimissed wrote:

Anyhow, this is a perfect opportunity for some high rated pillock to berate me for thinking a move of mine could be better than a move of a GM. Perhaps you know which one I have in mind. I wouldn't wish to deprive him, or anyone else for that matter, of the joy of being unpleasant and stupid.

What the ???? are you talking about man ?? You was doing pipi in - wait, I'm not old enough to make that joke.

Also, I learned a new word. Pillock. I guess I can use it to insult my friends.

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CooloutAC wrote:

because they are hanging on to old outdated traditions instead of doing what the fans and players themselves want.   To go deep into it its because old people can't think as fast and are sore losers over getting flagged when in winning positions so they brainwash the youth to feel the must resign matches and play classical.

Chess wasn't meant to be a spectator sport, though. When trying to get spectators, then blitz and bullet is gold - but in terms of over-the-board, nobody's streaming it, nobody's donating, etc... You just go and play your best game. It doesn't really have anything to do with sore losers. The standard FIDE time control usually has 30 second increment, so nobody gets flagged. 

I remember in the 90+30 SD/30 tournament I played in a couple weeks back, the TD said "you must always record, no matter how low on time you are... there is no such thing as time pressure with the 30 second increment".

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B1ZMARK wrote:
Optimissed wrote:

Anyhow, this is a perfect opportunity for some high rated pillock to berate me for thinking a move of mine could be better than a move of a GM. Perhaps you know which one I have in mind. I wouldn't wish to deprive him, or anyone else for that matter, of the joy of being unpleasant and stupid.

What the ???? are you talking about man ?? You was doing pipi in - wait, I'm not old enough to make that joke.

Also, I learned a new word. Pillock. I guess I can use it to insult my friends.

It's an English word meaning "rather dull person". I'm hoping it's under the c.c radar. After all, it isn't obscene and nor is it blasphemous and it saves writing things like idoit.

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<<<Pillock. This is another delightful description of someone who's painfully stupid. The word has has 16th century Scandinavian origins, and comes from the old English word pillicock, meaning sinep.>>>

Oh dear oh shoot. I better find another delightful word.

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CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

because they are hanging on to old outdated traditions instead of doing what the fans and players themselves want.   To go deep into it its because old people can't think as fast and are sore losers over getting flagged when in winning positions so they brainwash the youth to feel the must resign matches and play classical.

Chess wasn't meant to be a spectator sport, though. When trying to get spectators, then blitz and bullet is gold - but in terms of over-the-board, nobody's streaming it, nobody's donating, etc... You just go and play your best game. It doesn't really have anything to do with sore losers. The standard FIDE time control usually has 30 second increment, so nobody gets flagged. 

I remember in the 90+30 SD/30 tournament I played in a couple weeks back, the TD said "you must always record, no matter how low on time you are... there is no such thing as time pressure with the 30 second increment".

I dont' think any sports were made to be spectator sports.  Thats not a real thing.   Many people stream over the board,  watching OTB streams is how I got into chess.  The problem is you have been brainwashed by whatever club or outdated people you've been mentored by to believe that OTB means classical.    When that is simply not the reality outside of FIDE.

Bold of you to assume I was “brainwashed”. I don’t even follow chess media. The books I read don’t advocate for either long or short time controls. I made that decision myself after playing over the board myself. 

The majority of tournaments do not stream anything, only tournaments remotely big get streamed. I was in a three hour dgt stream against a 2300 a while back. But that’s not indicative of the majority of tournaments.

Besides, the purpose of my original post was to show how people use time in over the board, not to say stuff like “oh blitz isn’t chess if you play blitz you won’t improve”.

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CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

because they are hanging on to old outdated traditions instead of doing what the fans and players themselves want.   To go deep into it its because old people can't think as fast and are sore losers over getting flagged when in winning positions so they brainwash the youth to feel the must resign matches and play classical.

Chess wasn't meant to be a spectator sport, though. When trying to get spectators, then blitz and bullet is gold - but in terms of over-the-board, nobody's streaming it, nobody's donating, etc... You just go and play your best game. It doesn't really have anything to do with sore losers. The standard FIDE time control usually has 30 second increment, so nobody gets flagged. 

I remember in the 90+30 SD/30 tournament I played in a couple weeks back, the TD said "you must always record, no matter how low on time you are... there is no such thing as time pressure with the 30 second increment".

I dont' think any sports were made to be spectator sports.  Thats not a real thing.   Many people stream over the board,  watching OTB streams is how I got into chess.  The problem is you have been brainwashed by whatever club or outdated people you've been mentored by to believe that OTB means classical.    When that is simply not the reality outside of FIDE.

Bold of you to assume I was “brainwashed”. I don’t even follow chess media. The books I read don’t advocate for either long or short time controls. I made that decision myself after playing over the board myself. 

The majority of tournaments do not stream anything, only tournaments remotely big get streamed. I was in a three hour dgt stream against a 2300 a while back. But that’s not indicative of the majority of tournaments.

Besides, the purpose of my original post was to show how people use time in over the board, not to say stuff like “oh blitz isn’t chess if you play blitz you won’t improve”.

Where did I say by books?  Most books are very practical and will say the opposite.    I'm saying you have been brainwashed by whatever chess clubs you belong to and whoever coached and mentored you along with the FIDE community themselves.

When I was in elementary school I’d go to the local club and play. Then the nm would give a really basic lesson and we’d play on  for a bit and leave. 

I am not in any other “clubs” besides my school chess team. 

The most “brainwashing” ive gotten from coaches is: “if you took your time you’d be much stronger”, “spend less time blitzing out moves and double check your moves” and it would be comments regarding multi hour games. 

So yeah, brainwashing is pretty convenient but no, don’t think ive been. Like I said in my last post I’m not saying that blitz bullet aren’t chess, never have and never will. It is a demonstration of how top players use their time in their games.

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Traditionally people who played competitive chess were interested in the playing the best moves. Which is how long time controls became the standard. Today we want a chess result in a short period of time.

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     What happens to so many people's brains when they take up chess? How is it that playing chess clouds your mind so completely that almost all chess players become so easy to brainwash? Why does chess make us so stupid that no one can see the light now matter how many times, in every forum, one clear-seeing pillock warns us that we have all been brainwashed?

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CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

because they are hanging on to old outdated traditions instead of doing what the fans and players themselves want.   To go deep into it its because old people can't think as fast and are sore losers over getting flagged when in winning positions so they brainwash the youth to feel the must resign matches and play classical.

Chess wasn't meant to be a spectator sport, though. When trying to get spectators, then blitz and bullet is gold - but in terms of over-the-board, nobody's streaming it, nobody's donating, etc... You just go and play your best game. It doesn't really have anything to do with sore losers. The standard FIDE time control usually has 30 second increment, so nobody gets flagged. 

I remember in the 90+30 SD/30 tournament I played in a couple weeks back, the TD said "you must always record, no matter how low on time you are... there is no such thing as time pressure with the 30 second increment".

I dont' think any sports were made to be spectator sports.  Thats not a real thing.   Many people stream over the board,  watching OTB streams is how I got into chess.  The problem is you have been brainwashed by whatever club or outdated people you've been mentored by to believe that OTB means classical.    When that is simply not the reality outside of FIDE.

Bold of you to assume I was “brainwashed”. I don’t even follow chess media. The books I read don’t advocate for either long or short time controls. I made that decision myself after playing over the board myself. 

The majority of tournaments do not stream anything, only tournaments remotely big get streamed. I was in a three hour dgt stream against a 2300 a while back. But that’s not indicative of the majority of tournaments.

Besides, the purpose of my original post was to show how people use time in over the board, not to say stuff like “oh blitz isn’t chess if you play blitz you won’t improve”.

The probably told you blitz is not serious real chess and that only classical is.  I think once you finally reach what you aspire to be within FIDE,  like most pro players you will realize none of those thing are what's best for the longevity of the sport.

If anyone's trying the brainwashing technique it's you, calling chess a sport, you know.

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CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

because they are hanging on to old outdated traditions instead of doing what the fans and players themselves want.   To go deep into it its because old people can't think as fast and are sore losers over getting flagged when in winning positions so they brainwash the youth to feel the must resign matches and play classical.

Chess wasn't meant to be a spectator sport, though. When trying to get spectators, then blitz and bullet is gold - but in terms of over-the-board, nobody's streaming it, nobody's donating, etc... You just go and play your best game. It doesn't really have anything to do with sore losers. The standard FIDE time control usually has 30 second increment, so nobody gets flagged. 

I remember in the 90+30 SD/30 tournament I played in a couple weeks back, the TD said "you must always record, no matter how low on time you are... there is no such thing as time pressure with the 30 second increment".

I dont' think any sports were made to be spectator sports.  Thats not a real thing.   Many people stream over the board,  watching OTB streams is how I got into chess.  The problem is you have been brainwashed by whatever club or outdated people you've been mentored by to believe that OTB means classical.    When that is simply not the reality outside of FIDE.

Bold of you to assume I was “brainwashed”. I don’t even follow chess media. The books I read don’t advocate for either long or short time controls. I made that decision myself after playing over the board myself. 

The majority of tournaments do not stream anything, only tournaments remotely big get streamed. I was in a three hour dgt stream against a 2300 a while back. But that’s not indicative of the majority of tournaments.

Besides, the purpose of my original post was to show how people use time in over the board, not to say stuff like “oh blitz isn’t chess if you play blitz you won’t improve”.

Where did I say by books?  Most books are very practical and will say the opposite.    I'm saying you have been brainwashed by whatever chess clubs you belong to and whoever coached and mentored you along with the FIDE community themselves.

When I was in elementary school I’d go to the local club and play. Then the nm would give a really basic lesson and we’d play on  for a bit and leave. 

I am not in any other “clubs” besides my school chess team. 

The most “brainwashing” ive gotten from coaches is: “if you took your time you’d be much stronger”, “spend less time blitzing out moves and double check your moves” and it would be comments regarding multi hour games. 

So yeah, brainwashing is pretty convenient but no, don’t think ive been. Like I said in my last post I’m not saying that blitz bullet aren’t chess, never have and never will. It is a demonstration of how top players use their time in their games.

They literally have you believing OTB chess = classical.  And I'm still shocked you just told me noone streams OTB chess,  when thats all I watch on youtube lol.   Like "Coffee Chess"  which inspired me to learn chess.  or CFN Channel a Russian club I like to watch and play in the tourneys on lichess.   Botez Live constantly streams OTB chess.       These FIDe communities probably also brainwashed you into thinking you should resign and not flag when in losing positions for proper etiquette.  The probably told you blitz is not serious real chess and that only classical is.  I think once you finally reach what you aspire to be within FIDE,  like most pro players you will realize none of those thing are whats best for the longevity of the sport.

Man can you read my post? I have repeatedly said that I do not follow chess media. This includes YouTube, twitch, chess articles, chess newspapers, etc.

Lets set up a hypothetical. Joe sees news of airplane crash multiple times on his TV. He tells his friend he prefers driving because he sees so many airplane crashes on the news. Never mind that statistically, you die more in car accidents. 

I have been to multiple over the board tournaments. In my uschess archive I have around 100 tournaments played. Out of those 100, three tournaments streamed some boards live.

I have never said that nobody streams over the board chess. I said that MOST of them do not.

Chess has been around for a couple hundred years, and is still going strong.

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It has nothing to do with the FIDE communities I’m a part of because I have never played in a fide rated event. And how does otb “brainwash” people? Do you think people go in there drooling like dunces and start playing 90+30 and be like “oh wow! What a revelation! Long time controls are the best!” Because I’m fairly sure that’s not how it works.

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CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:

It has nothing to do with the FIDE communities I’m a part of because I have never played in a fide rated event. And how does otb “brainwash” people? Do you think people go in there drooling like dunces and start playing 90+30 and be like “oh wow! What a revelation! Long time controls are the best!” Because I’m fairly sure that’s not how it works.

USCF then,   semantics.   Again.  pay close attention.   Those USCF clubs and communites you are in brainwashed you to make ignorant statements like noone streams OTB chess.   Because you have been taught the crazy notion that OTB chess = classical.

You seem to be under the impression that I was “taught” something. I had no coach until getting 2100 here. I’m not in any local clubs except for my school chess team. I have never said that “nobody” streams otb. 

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CooloutAC wrote:
mpaetz wrote:

     What happens to so many people's brains when they take up chess? How is it that playing chess clouds your mind so completely that almost all chess players become so easy to brainwash? Why does chess make us so stupid that no one can see the light now matter how many times, in every forum, one clear-seeing pillock warns us that we have all been brainwashed?

 

CHess has  nothing to do with how easy to brainwash people are.  That is human nature.   But from my time spent on these forums these past few months what I think chess does to your brain is create a paradox where chess players are always contradicting themselves without realizing it.   I'm very serious about that and I think it should be studied.

     There you go contradicting yourself again. Don't you ever read your own comments to see how ridiculous they are before posting? First you say that chess doesn't affect people's brains, then you say it does and we need to study it. How can such a large % of chess players be irrevocably brainwashed? How come none of your brilliant reasoning has any effect on any of them? Wake up and smell the coffee, Buddy.

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CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
B1ZMARK wrote:

It has nothing to do with the FIDE communities I’m a part of because I have never played in a fide rated event. And how does otb “brainwash” people? Do you think people go in there drooling like dunces and start playing 90+30 and be like “oh wow! What a revelation! Long time controls are the best!” Because I’m fairly sure that’s not how it works.

USCF then,   semantics.   Again.  pay close attention.   Those USCF clubs and communites you are in brainwashed you to make ignorant statements like noone streams OTB chess.   Because you have been taught the crazy notion that OTB chess = classical.

You seem to be under the impression that I was “taught” something. I had no coach until getting 2100 here. I’m not in any local clubs except for my school chess team. I have never said that “nobody” streams otb. 

You don' thave to tell me that,  its written all over you bud.   You literally said that noone streams OTB chess.   Without even saying so anyone can realize you think OTB chess automatically means classical.   That shows us that you have been in chess clubs and official OTB tournaments without even having to look at your profile.   You have been a part of the traditional chess communities.  No need to deny it buddy.

Ok. You are correct. I will go feed my cat now

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     Sorry, after seeing endless posts from you on many topics, I came to the conclusion that bringing in irrelevant points, misunderstanding other posters' arguments, attributing things they never said to them, accusing everyone of contradicting themselves, making unfounded illogical a statements, and endlessly repeating the same baseless "revelations" that no one believes is what you consider convincing rhetoric. Perhaps it would have been clearer had I thrown in several grammatical and spelling errors.

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B1ZMARK wrote:

It has nothing to do with the FIDE communities I’m a part of because I have never played in a fide rated event. And how does otb “brainwash” people? Do you think people go in there drooling like dunces and start playing 90+30 and be like “oh wow! What a revelation! Long time controls are the best!” Because I’m fairly sure that’s not how it works.

I think maybe when you've played in 1000s of slow time control rated events and tens of thousands of 5, 10, 15 and 20 minutes per person games, you are conditioned to see the latter as fun and training and the former as the real thing. That isn't really brainwashing at all, because we want it to be like that, because we know that fast time controls aren't the real thing because they don't allow a real chance to be creative with a high degree of accuracy, which is what chess is really all about. This idea of Coolaid's, that chess is a sport and all about moving pieces as fast as possible, isn't exactly right. That isn't what it is.

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This is the first time I saw the g3-g4 idea in such positions, so now I know what to do after black plays e4. Thanks!

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cjxchess17 wrote:

This is the first time I saw the g3-g4 idea in such positions, so now I know what to do after black plays e4. Thanks!

Wow, cool I guess. The book I got the game from was Chess Structures by Mauricio Flores Rios. The only real input I added to the game was inputting it into my computer.