WWII Discussion

"what war ? " 

the reply American soldiers got of charcoal burners living in Italys Appenines after the allies invaded Italy , 

i like that reply , 6 years of warfare with their country involved and these folk had managed to live lives unaffected by humanities often stupid decision to kill each other 

     Because Soviet citizens were dying by the thousands every day, cities and towns were being destroyed, and all the nation's resources were being spent on the war. A second front would have eased the pressure and certainly shortened the ordeal.

     This doesn't mean the Germans had any hope of holding out against the USSR in the long run.

The irony being you didn't realize "the war to end all wars" was the moniker given to WWI and this topic is about the war that proved the sentiment woefully false, with many more people dying.

war is an industry that generates vast profits for manufacturers of weapons , these industries lobby govts , and seek to always keep us on the brink of war so they can get even richer 

until we rid ourselves of these industries and their lobbyists and bought politicians then we will always have wars 

People make money off of war, sure, but the fundamental cause surely have more to do with human nature than economics.

And unraveling the power structures tied up in wealth and politics would do a lot more than get rid of war... and since those power structures themselves are fundamental to human nature you'd probably end up with a dystopia in any case, heh.

here is why i would disagree , humans have not consistently been warlike , there have been millennias of peace , however we are in an age where we see economic benefits in warlike behaviour , be it european imperialism where they aggressively stole others lands for profit to our present era where if you have oil you had better be pro west or you get invaded 

this is a modern affliction and sadly its biggest victim is the states who since their founding have known little peace as they keep on getting involved in wars 

think of all the taxes spent on things that go bang , such a waste eh when you could have had universal free health care instead ,,,

lets hope the future is one where we wise up and realise its better to get along respecting each others differences instead of our present attitude 

When?

People kill people who aren't part of their tribe since time immemorial.

Taxes? It was about resources. Our tribe wants the land by the water, screw your tribe, etc.

so lets talk about peace and its periods of longevity , shall we begin with Albion before the romans turned up ?

Sure, Rome is convenient. Wiki breaks it up by century, and you claim at least 2000 years of peace so...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_wars_and_battles

now Celts are not hippies they are famed for their skill in battle , but for a very long period they came together to build monuments that last to this day , look at a map of the stone circles built in Albion crossing many tribal barriers /borders to be acheived , it took co operation , not war 

 we could learn from this 

rome are one of the prime instigators of aggressive imperialist expansion forcing laws and taxes on folk who were happy enough without rome rule 

sadly rome was an inconvenience for most of the countries they invaded 

so the next war that comes humanities way , i would hope we all refuse to fight , why should any of us die just to line the pockets of the already rich manufacturers of death ?

Yes, invaders tend to be inconvenient.

Anyway, you claimed millennias of peace. Just name the >= 2000 year period in which humans didn't kill other humans.

(Since there's only a few 1000 years of history this is gonna be tough...)

Next war?

You realize there are multiple wars going on right now, yes?