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Medrash9

We all know how annoying is when the opponent goes afk hoping to win the game for abandonment. Or even if i have a problem and i can't play, i feel bad for the opponent that need to waste 30 min of his time instead of playing the game. So why not implementing a feature for afk players? 
If i want to play the game online i have to leave and give points to the opponent, this way the skill player doesn't match anymore with the rank.
This is an anti-player feature that can easly be fixed with a feature.

Yes i can understand tournaments, where someone can troll the opponent like this, but online the people just want to play the game... and not give free point , not deserved, for beeing afk.

So a simple idea is to make an afk check, when a player doesn't move for like 1 or 2 minutes you can send a "check" xD to the opponent, if he doesn't click on it (saying that he isn't afk) with 1 minute time limit, then the game is lost for him. (It also depend on the duration of the game, a 30 min game will have a 1 min warning, while longer games will have longer warning)
It's pretty simple, leaving the game is not a strategy online.

Sry for my bad english, me italian, me no speak good tongue.png .

AndrewSmith

Should put it forward as a site idea, if they like that idea then they could do it. But if someone needs to leave the game as someone at the door or something else then it could be a issue 😉, 

Medrash9
AndrewSmith16 ha scritto:

Should put it forward as a site idea, if they like that idea then they could do it. But if someone needs to leave the game as someone at the door or something else then it could be a issue 😉, 

Yes, thz. Then if someone knocks at the door then you have 3 minutes approximately to do your needs.
Then if you have an obligation is correct to give up the game or lose it. Or maybe a pause option to stop the game from going, so the other player can play another game until you get free from the obligation and rejoin the match. The match expire after 3 days maybe, without any point exchange.

Medrash9
AndrewSmith16 ha scritto:

Should put it forward as a site idea.

So how do i put it forward as a site idea? I don't know how to get noticed. There is a way to contact the site owner or devs? 
Why i'm writing in your quote? Is this a bug? i don't see how to close the quote section.

 

AndrewSmith

https://support.chess.com/article/295-how-do-i-report-a-bug-or-make-a-suggestion

 

Follow that and sends them a email etc. Good luck 👍

Medrash9

thz

Medrash9
Magnus-GOAT ha scritto:

How exactly you will / want to define "going afk" ???

 

 

With the define of afk i mean simply it xD the meaning of afk is when someone doesn't pay attention to the game anymore, left the game . Sure you can have many reasons for that, family problems, toilette, eating? ..
Their thinking time is thinking time, it means playing the game usually and not eating food xD .
Sure you can do something else when you wait the opponent moves, but when it's your turn you should play the game. 
For this reason i propose a feature for the people who are forced to be afk (away from keyboard) that doesn't affect or damage any other player and their game experience.
Pausing the game. If you didn't read my response to andrew check it out..

I mean , i said that you have some time before the warning can be send and you loose the match, it's ok to waste some time if you need so, but probably it's not ok for the opponent too, that has to wait and do nothing. Sure it can happen that someone need 20 minutes to think a move, and that's fair. But if you need 20 minutes for nothing it's not fair if you can win it faster by resignation sending the warning ticket.
I'm not complaining the opponent time managment, i'm complaining people being afk ( not playing the game ) that prevents you from playing another game. 
They do this to win a lost game, when they know that you win they go afk and hope that you give up the game... so they wait to win by your desire of playing more games.

When you waste your time you waste the opponent time too, it is not respectful to not play a game when it's time to play with the opponent.
You are absolutelly right, the opponent has 30 minutes to think, if they don't then they give up ... it's called leaving a game.

Medrash9
Magnus-GOAT ha scritto:

Sorry, but your argumentation make no sense ... here is why ...

- YOU choose a game with a specific thingking time

- this thinking time is exact the same for you and your opponent (otherwise it would be unfair)

THEN you want to tell your opponent HOW she/he has to use her/his thinking time !
Kinda like she/he has to move earlier !???
Really ?

Play games with shorter thinking time ... """problem""" (your problem) solved !

 

I'm not telling to the opponent how to use their time, you did that.
You are saying that he have 30 minutes of THINKING time, saying that he has to THINK about the game right? Otherwise it was called FREE time.
So my argument makes perfect sense.
The Thinking time is a time that you need to use to think... do you agree?

I never said that he/she has to move earlier or later, or to restrict and limit their time at all, you are inventing all by your own. I Never said that.
You probably missed some point i made, try to read what i wrote more carefully . thz

The game already have a feature like this, when an opponent close the game the he loses and have 1 minute time to come back. So i'm trying to fix then the player goes away and LEAVE but he doesn't close the game. It's the same thing. 
If you cook or do something else in the Thinking time it means you resignated and left it to do something else.

I never said that i want to change the thinking time, i never said that i want to make unfair the time for one opponent, so i kindly invite you to be more precise in your reading. 
You are talking about things i never spoke about. You are not coherent with my argument right now.

Medrash9

"WHY WE ALL should NEED to give a feedback DURING our normal THINKING time ?
You NEED to see it from BOTH sides !!!"

To know if the opponent is still playing or not -_- simple. Do you mean the warning feedback right? It's like the feedback when the other player leave the game and start counting the timer.

"- you do try that the opponent move faster with this"

I don't try to make the opponent move faster, i just want to send a ticket to the opponent asking : "are you still here?" . Why in the hell should this make the opponent move faster? xD he can still waste all his time thinking about the game and the moves.

"I read all your text very close, I understand all you mean"

No you didn't xD . It's normal to miss some thought , it's ok. I will explain what you probably missed.
When you send a ticket to the opponent he can simply press on it saying : "yes i'm here". So he can take all his time. But if he left the game and he is away ... for who knows what reason, then he cannot stop the warning and saying "i'm here, i'm thinking" and then he will loose. Preventing a waste of time from the opponent that is waiting a missing player.
So you missed this point, the opponent is not forced to move faster at all .. ok?

I'm still leaning wink.png maybe i will reach 1000 like yu desire too, so i need more time to think the moves. I'm doing this not only for me, but expecially for all the people that have time issue , it's a little improvement that can save time and fun for someone. (i actually don't know how common it is a player that leave the game but it can happen)

Medrash9

Dude are you ok? I can understand if you had a bad time and just need to trow away some tension.
I did explain it clear ... i don't even know what you are talking about. I don't give a fk about the thinking time you give, i'm talking about people leaving the game, do you understand simple and basic concepts? 
Instead of repeating the same thing over and over help me at last to understand each others. Ok? Ca you help? Or are you here to just make noises.
Now can i get listed all your problems with my idea? A simple clear text thz.

So this is why my idea is wrong ... my idea about fixing afk problems.

"- YOU choose a game with a specific thinking time
- it is NOT YOUR business, if the opponent still sit in front of her/his pc or not
- YOU cannot force the opponent to need to stare at their screen and to use every second of her/his thinking time for actually thinking
- if YOU choose games with "long" thinking time, but YOU are impatient, when your opponent use ALL her/his time they have available, its called being a big hypocrite
- special online its great that EVERYBODY can choose with which thinking time they want to play, them always having in mind, how long they have time in real life for this game"

I don't know if you are a troll or what .. just try to calm down and understand.

-So the option to choose the thinking time makes my idea wrong you say ... how? I don't get what does it have to do with my problem. I'm fine playing my game, even if i choose to play a 3day game session ... so pls don't put this non-sense anymore, or at least explain it better.

- It's not my business if the opponent still sit in front of her/him pc or not, if he was playing mario card or watching cartoons you are right, but right now he is playing with me. Do you get it? Of course i'm my business what the opponent does if i'm playing with him, otherwise i just cannot play. A competitive game is an interaction between player and the other person business. After the match sure it's not my business and i don't care at all to what my opponent does. If he interacts with me it's of course my business 100%. 

-Are you drunk? I already said, and i will say again that i never said that i want my opponent to do what i want, everyone is free to do what he likes to do, and that's exactly what this post is for, to help the people do what they want the most, instead of forcing them to watch a dead screen becouse the opponent is afk and they cannot leave. So i can understand what you mean, and your issue is the main problem i'm trying to fix xD , this is so contraddictory ...

-I never said that i choose games with long timers, i never said i'm impatient and i don't even know how can you know something so intimate, even who lives with me cannot say with totally accuracy that i'm impatient, how can you do. This whole comment by you is a gigantic invention of problems that i never spoke about ... it's fine that you are talking about those issues, but why are you linking them to my solutions? that solves a bit those issues, it's non-sense.
Can you guess my humor right now? Since you are so good xD just kidding ..
Anyway i'm not impatient, i'm so patient that most people call me lazy, i'm rly lazy sometimes... the problem for the most is when another guy need to wait me, cause i had an emergency so i couldn't stop the game, and the other guy had to wait for no reason and cause of me (and the site) a lot's of time. 
I'm fine with a player using all his thinking time, i'm not fine when he doesn't use it lol. Why you keep saying the opposite. You put in my mouth things that i never said, and then say they are wrong, but you invented then , not me.

-Sure! I agree!! it's great that everyone can choose their thinking time and play what they like, but what to do with my topic? Sure they have the time they choose to play the game xD that's it and still the same, i never said that i want to change that. 
Then why makes my idea bad or wrong? What it has to do with it? 

So .. i can understand that it's not my business what my opponent does at home xD i'm not a stalker lol . But it's my business if i'm playing against someone or not, or he is just afk ... Away From the Keyboard. It's my right to know, and it doesn't hurt anyone. Do you have any problem with that? Try at least to answer my questions, and not just avoid everything i say ... i did many questions and you didn't care about any of them, are you here to help and resolve this problem or not? Then try to be cooperative with me, thz.
Anyway i'm talking about the game, not what another person does in his free time or thinking time.

Have you even seen a player in a tournament leaving the game to take a nap or to cook or to take a call with the phone? Maybe it happens, so so rarely, almost never. So what are you even talking about, the problem is not if you need to move your legs or get up for a moment, i don't have any problem with this at all.
Also in tournaments if you need to do something else, like going in the toilette/wc, they stop the timer right? I don't know you can tell this to me. So what is wrong with my idea? I propose the exact same thing.
Also if you didn't noticed the site already have the feature i'm proposing ... it's already in use. If you leave the game , or it internet goes off, or if the site recognise that you are away from the game, you will lose by resignation. So i'm just trying to improving this ... it already exist, do you want to remove this feature? So if someone lose the internet connection you have to wait until he comes back ... and you lost maybe 30m , maybe 1h , maybe more of time that you wanted to spend playing chess. If you choose to play a 30 min game then you should be able to play it, that's it.

So wait a second ... are you telling to me that it's not healthy to sit for hours .. so someone needs to move sometimes right? I agree, but why you have to start a game to get up and make some jogging? Usually people just stop playing and do it in the free time ... it's evil to start a game with someone and then go away xD .. you are rly cruel ... sad.png
So this point doesn't make any sense xD either is a problem with any of my suggestions .

Of course it is totally up to them how they will user the time they got, they are free. I .. never .. said .. anything ... against .. this. Who am i? xD Hitler?? 
You have to use your time to play chess!!! If you don't do it i will call your mom uderstand? xD 
Wtf ... i'm being funny here, i'm not serious .. i NEVER said this ok? Stop saying that i want the other people do what i want.
Sure you can be angry and go to the shop thinking about bananas, or doing what you want, but i'm trying to help the people that cannot do what they want ... playing the game, becouse they need to wait the guy that is on the shop buying bananas xD .. And it's not his fault ... he can do it, the problem is the site that misses a feature to help the poor guy that waits the other guy move vainly.
This is so sich, that i want to force other people to think all the time about the game , do you rly think that about me? 
The problem with this pandemic and social distance is that we all become crazy at some points xD and internet is an instrument that reflects your personality and thought ... you ahve some problems with autority and i was in the same stuff, we live in the constant feeling of being forced of doing what the other peoples want, of not being free and not enjoy our self. I or my idea probably remembered you someone who did this to you, but i don't have the intention to force anyone at all.
Can you explain to me why my suggestion or Idea will force other people to use all their "thinking time" into the game? thz .

*Ah when i said he waste his time i was refering to the guy that did the move, and not the guy that need to move... that guy that waits for the move is waiting to play against the opponent, but he will not play the game. So he wasted times waiting when instead could have done or started another game. So i just want the guy to enjoy and play a game when it's possible for him, instead of waiting a player that left with the pc opened.

You are right that tournaments are another thing, cause of the money, and that's exactly for this that you can leave the game and then come back at the last second if you like, it's an important one, so nobody want to miss it, instead no one cares of random online matches xD

So i hope you will help me by answering my question , cya wink.png

Medrash9

why are you keep talking about nonsense?
I asked you one question and you totally ignored it. Are you a broken cd? It's not usefull to anybody if you keep coping and pasting your text over and over like a spammer, try to evolve the discussion and make a conversation instead of not listening to me and talking about out of context arguments.

you:" Not your business, if she/he does not use their thinking time to think !"

Did you read at last 1/4 of my text? I said many times that it's not my business what another person does in his private. Of course it's not my business what another person is thinking, who am i? A cleromancer? A magician? i'am not sick like this wtf. Are you ok? I never said i want to know what the other person does or think, it's not my business ok? we agree from the start of the conversation, can you stop with this nonsense? I totally agree with you about this.

I'm not insulting you at all, maybe i'm the one who should report you for spamming or disturbing me and my posts with out of context arguments ... yes i'm a magician xD 

Away From the Keyboard. It's my right to know
"No, it is NOT your right !"

Why not? can i know why i cannot get this info? So if you now invent a rule where i cannot know what food i'm eating or how much money i have in my poket, i must obbey to your rule xD No i can't ... ok? When you play against someone in real life you will know when he goes afk or goes away, it's a natural thing, and necessary to the health of a game. Now immagine inventing a rule into a cofee bar where you cannot see your opponent and if the opponent goes away you have to wait him 1 hour , blindfolded. This is called dictatorship, when someone want to control what someone does. YOU want to force peoples to the chair ...
Anyway i'm tired of your static arguments, if you want to explain to me your reason i'm happy to listen, otherwise i will just ignore you, i have no time to waste xD ...

Also in tournaments if you need to do something else, like going in the toilette/wc, they stop the timer right?
"No - they don't !"

Oh rly? So if you have an emergency or a problem you will lose the match .. that's unfortunate. xD i checked right now. Anyway it's a super rare event i believe.

?"So after you started again with a lot of personal things ("you having a problem" etc blablabla), I will ask you kindly to stop it, or I will have to report it !"

It's not an insult, you have a problem with me, otherwise you where not here to talk with me saying that my idea is a problem for you. If it's wrong then you have a problem xD it's not an insult, it's just what what it is... if you don't have a problem then leave the conversation and leave me in peace .

If you feel personally offended by my discussion it's not my Business!! xD Just kidding ... well it's not my business what you think or feel right? xP  I'm calmly talking about this issue, trying to explain some concepts to you, then if you feel offended you are free to tell me why. The only one who is offending my thought right now is you from my prospective. You are straight up lying about my post and the things i said, making me appear something who i'm not. Hi hitler! ...
So if you can explain to me yourself, and tell me all your points and what do they have to do with me ... we can continue a constructive talking .. non the less if you keep spamming non sense stuff and ignore me it will be all pointless and useless. Do take your decision. 

Pls talk about my feature and my idea (you didn't mentioned it once), instead of me beeing a web hitler


Medrash9
Magnus-GOAT ha scritto:

It simple is not a good idea, to force players to click during the game, just that you would know what they are doing .... it is simple not your business !

Thats my opinion about your suggetion and you will not be able to change it !

 

This is not your opinion about MY suggestion becouse it has nothing to do with any of my suggestions.

None of my suggestion will force any player to click on anything to show what they do in the private. I never said this, you probably misunderstood my idea.

I DONT want to make a new feature that shows what the opponent does , regarding things outside chess. 

My idea is to improve the already existing feature to catch more effectivelly players that leave the game. It has nothing to do with anybody personal life, it's a chess feature. I'm not a stalker and either i don't want to break any law xD by forcing players to share their personal life.
So is this ok now? Understood? 
Hope so ^^ have a good day