computer Sven and Nelson -big difference or am I just bad?

manbeartom
One of them is 1100 the other is 1300, I find I can beat Sven on a bad day, but on a good day Nelson remains unbeatable (by me), I’ve never thought I’m great at Chess but previously my rating was generally around 1400-1500 when I used to play a bit more (different site, account got heavily restricted for logging on from my dads IP address).

Is the Nelson AI accurate to that rating and I’m just a lot worse than I was or is it still being tweaked? And if it just me being bad then fair play, I can take that on the chin (although be it, sadly).
Donuts23

Wow, I feel the same way. Sven is EAAAASY, but Nelson is very hard. I beat him once in a while, but I mostly lose. I don't pass on to the next level, until I'm confortably and regularly winning the lvel I'm on. So I'm stuck on Nelson.

I even started studying more chess theory, just to be able to beat him. haha

chrisbeatz721

What theory did you read because I’m really struggling with Nelson, and I agree that Sven was heaps easy. I’ll try trap the queen perhaps

VIP3Rexe

Thank god I’m not the only one, I’ve been stuck for days and day on him, maybe I’ll try some other computers. Let me know if you guys fund any string gambits that work against him.

mjonesten

I've found that Nelson's endgame is pretty weak, and that he's generally pretty willing to exchange pieces - so my strategy has been to trade pieces early (especially to get rid of his queen!) and then I can usually get a pawn to the end of the board and finish the game from there

Da-Vere

I’m about 0-30 against Nellie. But that ain’t saying much for me eh?

manbeartom
I don’t k ow how to quote but mjonesten was right, he doesn’t terribly value pawns! Just won my first game on challenger against Nelson! Thank you so much for that tip :) . What a way to start the day :D
manbeartom
The AI after Nelson was easier than Nelson...
Donuts23
manbeartom wrote:
I don’t k ow how to quote but mjonesten was right, he doesn’t terribly value pawns! Just won my first game on challenger against Nelson! Thank you so much for that tip :) . What a way to start the day :D
 
 

Interesting! I'll try this out. I've been able to hold my ground in the early-mid game, but I always blunder at the end that costs me the game. haha
I have to keep an eye out for oportunities, because Nelson actually blunders a lot.

Buflen

I had the hardest time to beat Nelson. I almost gave up. Took me forever but then I finally won.
And THEN, I beat David, a 1400 rated AI in 2 moves with fool's mate: https://www.chess.com/a/SVeiYu7c9fpS
They need to fix the AI.

Stiggles
manbeartom wrote:
I don’t k ow how to quote but mjonesten was right, he doesn’t terribly value pawns! Just won my first game on challenger against Nelson! Thank you so much for that tip :) . What a way to start the day :D

Just got it done thanks to this. Thanks!

Da-Vere

Finally!

McWhinnster

I feel like the engine has only recently got a lot stronger. Im 1337 rated and I've played him multiple times a day for the last month or so (ya quarantine is hitting me hard lol) and I win about 45% of my games against him. I win more than I lose with white but with black I have only ever beaten him him 3 times (out of maybe 30 games) and only once before the end game because as mjoneston said his endgame is definitely the weakest part of his game. I would be curious to see for people that have beaten him, do they find winning with black to be significantly harder than with white?

Slugdud

Nelson is a pain. I have only beat him 3 out of maybe 10 or 12 games. All those wins were very close endings with a promoted pawn.

BobTheFlyingWalrus

Nelson was tough for me and took a couple of tries to beat him. If you find a way to trade queens, the game becomes easy. The bot is significantly weaker without the queen.

My0neS

Nelson's endgame is so bad. He plays like a begginer to chess. If you can manage not to be mate, your chance is very high.

Sure, you have to play logically and very carefully. His attacks are stable but very effective. If you don't have the expereience to develop a counter attack, you have to wait for the endgame. 

My0neS
"Well, how can I mate him with black?" for those who ask.

 

ReedLux

Also, do you guys play bots around your normal rating ?
I have a 700 rating in normal games, and I have a really hard time climbing, where as VS Bots I'm starting to struggle with the 1300-1500 ones

Is it because I don't play enough normal games, or are the bot way easier than their supposed elo ?

lucyhyland

I have a rating of 700 and I can't get past Sven. I know that everyone in this message board is practically Bobby Fischer (minus the going crazy part... at least I hope you guys aren't crazy), but can someone please help me! I would really appreciate even a little of advice.

Stiggles
lucyhyland wrote:

I have a rating of 700 and I can't get past Sven. I know that everyone in this message board is practically Bobby Fischer (minus the going crazy part... at least I hope you guys aren't crazy), but can someone please help me! I would really appreciate even a little of advice.

 

Sven will make some insane blunders. Just play fundamentals and thank him for his mistakes. I mean control the center, develop your pieces, castle, connect your rooks. Don't be afraid to trade queens with him. He's pretty garbage without it. Or...at least that always works for me.