The chat filter niggles me
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Anyway niggles is cheugy.
Nov 22, 2021
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#22
My problem with the words aren't inherent to the words, but that 1. people often use them in an imperious manner in order to prove how snowflakey the world is, and 2. they are often used surreptitiously as a racial insult. I remember a few years ago in a city council meeting half full of black people where a man at the podium used the word niggardly with extra emphasis and it was pretty clear that it was an insult. There are plenty of synonyms for both words in the English language. What exactly are you trying to prove by using them when you know that people with rudimentary vocabularies are likely to infer something that you are not saying?
To ask the question is to answer it.
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
My problem with the words aren't inherent to the words, but that 1. people often use them in an imperious manner in order to prove how snowflakey the world is, and 2. they are often used surreptitiously as a racial insult. I remember a few years ago in a city council meeting half full of black people where a man at the podium used the word niggardly with extra emphasis and it was pretty clear that it was an insult. There are plenty of synonyms for both words in the English language. What exactly are you trying to prove by using them when you know that people with rudimentary vocabularies are likely to infer something that you are not saying?
Apparently, people with rudimentary vocabularies are the problem but not the guys who are closeted racists at best.
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
My problem with the words aren't inherent to the words, but that 1. people often use them in an imperious manner in order to prove how snowflakey the world is, and 2. they are often used surreptitiously as a racial insult. I remember a few years ago in a city council meeting half full of black people where a man at the podium used the word niggardly with extra emphasis and it was pretty clear that it was an insult. There are plenty of synonyms for both words in the English language. What exactly are you trying to prove by using them when you know that people with rudimentary vocabularies are likely to infer something that you are not saying?
Rudimentary vocabularies lol...Please excuse me for not knowing a word that was popular back in the 1800s!!! https://www.google.com/search?q=niggard+meaning&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA842CA842&oq=niggard+meaning&aqs=chrome..69i57.3576j0j1&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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nyggleIsAWordNotAllowed wrote:
Ok so they don't block the word niggle if you type it into chat anymore, but you still can't include it as part of your username. Our victory is not total and this battle is not over.
Bro, honestly your intentions are suspicious at best. Why would you type those words in the first place, "niggles" and "niggard." First of all, you can use annoying and stingy. Second, nobody in the professional settings use those words or they are going to get fired or cancelled. Honestly, I don't think you are a person I would want to know in real life. And why would you call someone stingy, like you don't know whether someone is stingy or not without knowing them in real life. Third, those words are outdated.
My intentions are only to be free of poor chat moderation. Niggle and niggard are words with no racial connotations or denotations, and as such shouldn't have been banned by the chat filter at all. Furthermore, if you search the word "niggle" in the forums there are multiple posts that have used the word in its intended form. So the word niggle is not outdated, if little used, in Canadian English. The only real reason for including niggard is for completeness sake, if I'm going to get one word taken off the ban list might as well get other words that were unwittingly swept into the chat filters unforgiving maw.
Nov 22, 2021
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#27
I meant no insult. Both words are definitely uncommon literary words anymore, and unlikely to be seen outside of a Jane Austen novel. The very fact that both words are extremely uncommon and share the first four letters of one of the most offensive words in the English language only serves to underscore my points.
Nov 22, 2021
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#28
@nyggle... you're being both pedantic and imperious. You know very well that people don't know these words and that you're just getting on your high horse to scold us for either 1. being stupid, or 2. being snowflakes. Just stop. People don't know these words, and you know very well that people are likely to confuse them for racial slurs. Then you get to say "I'm not a racist! You're just stupid!"
Nikki Bella is that you?
Actually NikkiLikeChikki, I didn't know that people don't know these words. I'm not on my high horse to call people stupid, I'm on my high horse championing my glorious freedom from dumb rules. Tell me, if you were a chess.com moderator would you ban words because some people may misconstrue them? Not unless the use of those words became a problem with people imperiously using them to imply racial insults. Since that isn't a problem on chess.com the words shouldn't be banned.
Nov 22, 2021
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#31
You are championing your own sense of superiority, and nothing else. Do me a favor and google synonyms for both words, would you? There are at least half a dozen for each that are used in everyday speech. You KNOW that these words will confuse people and yet rather than avoid the possibility of needlessly offending people, you get on your high horse and claim to champion freedom. You're annoying. These words no longer serve a purpose in the English language. You are correct that they aren't inherently offensive, but you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that people WILL be offended, rightly or wrongly. That's on YOU dude.
NikkiLikeChikki wrote:
You are championing your own sense of superiority, and nothing else. Do me a favor and google synonyms for both words, would you? There are at least half a dozen for each that are used in everyday speech. You KNOW that these words will confuse people and yet rather than avoid the possibility of needlessly offending people, you get on your high horse and claim to champion freedom. You're annoying. These words no longer serve a purpose in the English language. You are correct that they aren't inherently offensive, but you stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that people WILL be offended, rightly or wrongly. That's on YOU dude.
"These words no longer serve a purpose in the English language." Wrong. Niggle, if you check googles word-usage-over-time feature, is used more in the last few years than any time in history. It's a word thats popularity has been rising, and it definitely has a place in the English language. It has specific and unique connotations that synonyms like annoy and bother don't have. Not using a word like niggle because other people won't be bothered to look it up is a form of self-censorship we freedom loving Americans will not tolerate; let them be offended by their own ignorance if they choose, it is not my problem if they won't understand.
Nov 22, 2021
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#33
I find it hard to believe that you don't know your own motivation. It's quite transparent. You're just trying to cause problems.
Nov 22, 2021
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#34
First, you're wrong. The use of the word is barely rising, is nowhere near it's most popular point, and if any rise exists, it's because of angry anti-snowflake pedants such as yourself.
Second, there is no unique connotation, especially to 99.99% of the public and I would hazard to guess that most people go their entire lives without using it. Any uniqueness exists only in your mind in order to continue with your insufferable line of reasoning.
Finally, you're completely ignoring the likelihood of confusion argument. You KNOW that people will be needlessly offended, but you just don't care. You are free to use these words as you wish in everyday life, and people are free to think of you as the arrogant quibbler that you are. Chesscom has every right to avoid the extremely high likelihood that people will be confused into thinking that you're a racist for using them.
You are a champion of nothing that is well intentioned.
Dear NikkiLikeChikki, The use of the word niggle has risen more than the NASDAQ the past twenty years, if my investments "barely" rose 500% since 2000 I'd be pretty dang happy. One niggle I have with your position is the implication that the word niggle should still be banned. It's just a word that, by your own admission, is not inherently offensive. This whole thread is simply me pointing out that the word niggle should not have been banned in the first place. My intention was never to purposefully offend anyone and I'm sorry for being a meanie-head when I said to let them be offended by their own ignorance, that was uncalled for; Of course we should strive to avoid misunderstandings when using language that we know people can misconstrue. But the point still stands that niggle should never have been banned, regardless of that unfortunate event at your city council with the racist dude, I hope this post makes me less of a villain, sincerely,
nyggleIsAWordNotAllowed
Nov 23, 2021
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#36
nyggleIsAWordNotAllowed wrote:
Actually NikkiLikeChikki, I didn't know that people don't know these words. I'm not on my high horse to call people stupid, I'm on my high horse championing my glorious freedom from dumb rules. Tell me, if you were a chess.com moderator would you ban words because some people may misconstrue them? Not unless the use of those words became a problem with people imperiously using them to imply racial insults. Since that isn't a problem on chess.com the words shouldn't be banned.
I would ban them if they were being used in a way that was an attempt to bypass the fact something more inappropriate was filtered and used trying to give some plausible deniability 
Filtered word usage is logged, so it's usually pretty obvious when someone is getting caught unfairly and when they're not.
Websters says that niggle is chiefly British as a noun, but not as a verb https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/niggle Genuinely, being from Ireland, I didn't know that Americans aren't aware of this word until I read this thread, it's pretty much an everyday word and I've never associated it with the racial slur until now. Obviously the other word used in this thread is literary and to all extents obsolete, I can't imagine anyway using it in chat for any reason other than to be provocative. I think it's reasonable enough for that to auto banned
Nov 23, 2021
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#38
Words and their meanings evolve as do our usage and understanding of them. “bumming a cigarette” used to be another phrase altogether as in “pinching a _ _ _” a phrase that most mature adults wouldn’t insist on using today. But the OP will have the chance one day to tell the grandchildren how he/she fought the good and righteous fight to rid the CC world of tyranny and censorship and won the right to use his/her chosen outdated word and hide behind Mr. Webster doing so. Well done thou good and faithful champion of misperceived wrongs and lost freedoms.
Dec 23, 2021
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#39
That word is a totally legitimate word, and only the obsessive would think otherwise. You really would have to have a limited vocabulary and a burr up you to confuse it with bigotry related slang, but on the other hand I don't think you'd get muted if you just used sledge/ sledging... unless those words suddenly sound too similar to something somebody considers offensive. I recently had someone actually complain that the phrase A and B are like black and white was too provocative to use in any context, nowadays. Ridiculous. Do people have that stuff on the brain 24/7 now?!? Just stop going there automatically, and check the dictionary. Jeez... fantasize about sex or something.