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How on God's green earth did this get approved? I don't mind puzzles being difficult. I don't mind losing 12 points when I miss one and only making 4 when I get one right. What I DO mind is puzzles that are idiotic and illogical and there are far too many trash puzzles on ChessDotCom. Here is perfect example and why so many are frustrated over puzzles:

Puzzle asks, "Take a careful look at the board. Do you see a way to win my queen?" BLACK TO MOVE

Well, yes I do ... the Queen is undefended. The right response is take the Queen. I was not worried about the Rook on e1 taking rook on e8 because King can easily escape to f7.

WRONG ANSWER! So what was their solution?

WHY?? The rooks made no difference!! Now ... I'm not the brightest bulb in the four-pack but am I the only one that thinks this sucks? At least they could have first made the Queen un-takable by placing the Rook on e4 (blocking & protecting the Queen) so rook must move FIRST but no, they put no thought into vetting this puzzle.

I've yet to run into downright stupid puzzles on Lichess // END RANT

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Bro, if you move 1. ...Qxc2 you win a queen, you lose a full rook and the position is about equal, because you have a queen and a knight vs. 2 rooks and a bishop. But, if you first move 1. ...Rxe1+, then you can take the queen for free and now you are up a queen for a rook.

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If you trade the rooks first, then Black will have a queen vs rook advantage. If you take the queen first, Black has one queen vs two rooks, and the two rooks are often equal if not better than the queen.

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Ah you both ROCK! So puzzles sometimes will penalize me for NOT taking an obvious piece (that it TELLS ME to take) but I must think more deeply than the obvious because sometimes it is not the best choice.

I've had that happen before over and over!! One puzzle, I could king/queen fork but I missed because that wasn't their question. This type of puzzle has been holding me back for quite some time and this is why I ask! Okay, I apologize to the vetters of puzzles and I'll remove my rant (blush) :-)

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So is it true that time no longer affects a puzzle's score?

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#4, you should turn off puzzle comments, because they are just disturbing and incorrect.

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They are called chat hints btw

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Thank you @Fet ... Settings > Gameplay > Puzzles > Chat hints now turned off. I never use Chat Hints because it causes puzzle loss (it deducts points if I do). But if stuck or if I've already missed, I'll look at the hint. Thank you!

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TimeNorrin wrote:

I love puzzles. And I got 407 in a row corect. And I will tell you how so you go down to 100elo and than it's easy until 1700 and than I think 1min on puzzles because it's stressful at 400.

You're at 4,483 on puzzles! I suspect I should listen to you! So, I'm not sure I understand: I should let my Glick drop to 100 in what, please? Puzzles or in games? Then I should only play puzzles for 60 seconds and then stop because longer time playing (in one sitting) will make it more difficult to win them?

I increased to Hard level (because I couldn't get over 1,400) and I seem to be going up but have again plateaued at 1,520 or so.

I think @Fet and @theEldest1 both have great suggestion. I plan to NOT move at all if I'm not 1,000% sure, screenshot it and study it stand-alone and only then come back and respond.

I'm am truly open to your suggestion as well - thank you! If you could explain a bit more, I'd appreciate it.

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isolani-d4 wrote:

I don't mind losing 12 points when I miss one and only making 4 when I get one right

Just change the superb Difficulty in puzzle settings to Extra Hard

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MrChatty wrote:
isolani-d4 wrote:

I don't mind losing 12 points when I miss one and only making 4 when I get one right

Just change the superb Difficulty in puzzle settings to Extra Hard

Thank you! But if I struggle to get them all at Hard, might I do worse if Extra Hard? Anyway, I'll try Extra Hard again!

Truth is, I want to learn to identify the patterns more than just get a rating. Awhile back, a young buck whiz kid told me to 'calculate all options first and only then move.' I should have listened. I tend to jump at the first thing that works so the original suggestions make the most sense and align with my goals - become better in the game.

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isolani-d4 wrote:

Thank you @Fet ... Settings > Gameplay > Puzzles > Chat hints now turned off. I never use Chat Hints because it causes puzzle loss (it deducts points if I do). But if stuck or if I've already missed, I'll look at the hint. Thank you!

Some hints might be incorrect but the solution may require additional moves to get the result.

As to approvals, most of the puzzles are found automatically, and tested automatically. Early in the site history, there were puzzle approvers.

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Thank you for clarifying, Martin!! I'm normally not grumpy (except at trolls or those who kick 'down') but puzzles are really kicking my behind!

ADDED: Okay, a few other times in my life, I've been grumpy as well. I've regretted it both times!

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isolani-d4 wrote:

How on God's green earth did this get approved? I don't mind puzzles being difficult. I don't mind losing 12 points when I miss one and only making 4 when I get one right. What I DO mind is puzzles that are idiotic and illogical and there are far too many trash puzzles on ChessDotCom. Here is perfect example and why so many are frustrated over puzzles:

Puzzle asks, "Take a careful look at the board. Do you see a way to win my queen?" BLACK TO MOVE

Well, yes I do ... the Queen is undefended. The right response is take the Queen. I was not worried about the Rook on e1 taking rook on e8 because King can easily escape to f7.

WRONG ANSWER! So what was their solution?

WHY?? The rooks made no difference!! Now ... I'm not the brightest bulb in the four-pack but am I the only one that thinks this sucks? At least they could have first made the Queen un-takable by placing the Rook on e4 (blocking & protecting the Queen) so rook must move FIRST but no, they put no thought into vetting this puzzle.

I've yet to run into downright stupid puzzles on Lichess // END RANT

really good to see you exploring further and questioning the puzzle

it’s a great way to learn without the lingering thought of a rating drop from an incorrect response

personally, I find the daily puzzle on chess games.com far more interesting

here is a 2022 collection from a member

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1047556

But since you are a premium member here, I would try to find some “joy” in the custom section of the puzzle training tab

try to make use of it since you paid for it

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DrNukey wrote:

really good to see you exploring further and questioning the puzzle

it’s a great way to learn without the lingering thought of a rating drop from an incorrect response

personally, I find the daily puzzle on chess games.com far more interesting

here is a 2022 collection from a member

https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chesscollection?cid=1047556

But since you are a premium member here, I would try to find some “joy” in the custom section of the puzzle training tab

try to make use of it since you paid for it

Hi, Nathaniel! Thank you for responding and great points! I do Custom Puzzles but certainly not nearly enough. I can then focus on Mate in 1, 2 and then 3 and tactics (skewers, pins, x-rays).

Great link as well!! Much appreciated. :-)

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Seems to work?

Were you denied again

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isolani-d4 wrote:

But if I struggle to get them all at Hard, might I do worse if Extra Hard?

Considering how puzzles are designed to work the names:

  1. Extra Easy
  2. Easy 
  3. Normal

would fit better than current:

  1. Normal
  2. Hard
  3. Extra Hard

respectively

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isolani-d4 wrote:

Ah you both ROCK! So puzzles sometimes will penalize me for NOT taking an obvious piece (that it TELLS ME to take) but I must think more deeply than the obvious because sometimes it is not the best choice.

I've had that happen before over and over!! One puzzle, I could king/queen fork but I missed because that wasn't their question. This type of puzzle has been holding me back for quite some time and this is why I ask! Okay, I apologize to the vetters of puzzles and I'll remove my rant (blush) :-)

Wait there's rocks on cc now?

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Sorry not chat hints but Puzzle Goals

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Turn that off