VanillaKnightPOC wrote:
Yes, TT is a teaching tool. Timed and non timed teach different things.
Chess.com's TT teaches one thing, Chesstempo.com's TT teaches another. Use whichever one suits your purpose.
Tactic Trainer Timer needs to be removed
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I hardly think that chess.com's response to user demand for a feature will be 'try another webiste'.
I already do use chesstempo btw.
I didn't like the timer on TT, so I enabled the unrated option and I'm perfectly happy with TT now!
Ziryab wrote:
Should I return the money I've won from tournaments because my opponents made errors in time pressure?
May I lay claim to some of that money? I am sometimes in time trouble.
Oct 14, 2012
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VanillaKnightPOC wrote:
I hardly think that chess.com's response to user demand for a feature will be 'try another webiste'.
By not adding the feature, they are tacitly doing that. If your supplier doesn't provide the product that you want, you go elsewhere.
woton wrote:
VanillaKnightPOC wrote:
I hardly think that chess.com's response to user demand for a feature will be 'try another webiste'.
By not adding the feature, they are tacitly doing that. If your supplier doesn't provide the product that you want, you go elsewhere.
Of course. We're just explaining the OP that TT is fine as it is, and it's the best way to improve your tactical skills IMO.
Oh perhaps the cause of the debate is because TT is clearly thought with the idea that you do a ton of problems in a row, one after another, so that you can burn the patterns into your memory after merciless repetition.
If you're a basic member and you can do only few problems a day then I understand that you might need a different tool (longer tactics with no time trouble).
woton wrote:
Sun777 wrote:
The rating should depend on whether or not you get a problem right, not how fast you do it. I know that a couple of times, I've gotten a problem correct but went down in my rating a few points because I did it in a minute. :(
Please tell that to my boss. If I don't solve the problems by their due dates, my boss will find someone who can.
Also, in school, you have a fixed amount of time to finish a test. The fact that you could have answered all the questions correctly if given more time is inconsequential.
No, school and work is different. In school, you are given unlimited time (almost) for homework, which is essentially just practice. Tactics Trainer is also like a practice tool, so why not have unlimited time on that when you're practicing?
Oct 14, 2012
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@plutonia
The debate is the result of one group wanting to eliminate the timer and have the rating only dependent on whether you solve the problem; the other group likes things as they are.
In reality, there are usually several ways to teach the same topic. You just choose the one that works for you.
woton wrote:
@plutonia
The debate is the result of one group wanting to eliminate the timer and have the rating only dependent on whether you solve the problem; the other group likes things as they are.
In reality, there are usually several ways to teach the same topic. You just choose the one that works for you.
Incorrect, there are also those who want there to be a timed and non timed rated option.
Oct 14, 2012
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Sun777 wrote:
No, school and work is different. In school, you are given unlimited time (almost) for homework, which is essentially just practice. Tactics Trainer is also like a practice tool, so why not have unlimited time on that when you're practicing?
Wish I had gone to your school. I usually had 3 to 4 hours at night to complete the homework, which was due the day following the assignment, for several subjects. I did have essentially unlimited time to study the solutions to the problems after the professors had shown me the error of my ways.
I also have about 4 hours of homework every night, and I take my time on them so I can "practice" correctly instead of whizzing through everything and failing completely.
Oct 14, 2012
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Since Chess.com is not likely to soon implement untimed, rated TT, the answer is to go to another site for practice, and take the tests on Chess.com.
Oh, yes, I don't really think chess.com will do anything about it, such as making another untimed TT for lower rated players like me, but I'm just putting down my thoughts and arguments.
woton wrote:
Since Chess.com is not likely to soon implement untimed, rated TT, the answer is to go to another site for practice, and take the tests on Chess.com.
Timed TT is not superior to untimed TT.
Oct 14, 2012
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VanillaKnightPOC wrote:
woton wrote:
Since Chess.com is not likely to soon implement untimed, rated TT, the answer is to go to another site for practice, and take the tests on Chess.com.
Timed TT is not superior to untimed TT.
It was a tongue-in-cheek comment because of the analogy to homework and tests.
Ah, ok. 
woton wrote:
@plutonia
The debate is the result of one group wanting to eliminate the timer and have the rating only dependent on whether you solve the problem; the other group likes things as they are.
In reality, there are usually several ways to teach the same topic. You just choose the one that works for you.
As I explained in the previous page, it's not possible to have problems rated for "what they are" because different players would put extremely different level of efforts (some trying to solve it in 10 seconds, others in 10 minutes). A problem's rating would be dependant on what kind of people attempted it, thus random.
People put different levels of efforts into online chess, should that not be rated either?
Yes, TT is a teaching tool. Timed and non timed teach different things.