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ZZZZ..thats the USA chess scene. Players chatting to each other during a game or eating a meat ball sandwhich and slopping the sauce all over the board. Slack.
It seems like something that should be stopped. If there is a deliberate pattern that others have seen, I don't see why the administrators cannot see it as well.
Perhaps there should be a limite like allowing a win every other year.
Apr 27, 2014
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Cruiseylee78 wrote:
No the solution is easy. Bring in a rating floor. Once you have been over a certain rating you cant play in that lower section ever again. If your grade does stay the same even after winning lots of events then yes maybe you cant play in that section the following year like a promotion. And 50% of entry of that higher section.
And an English Elo needs to be brought in like they have in the states and most of the world. At the monet the English Rating is totally floored as its a 6 months change. Which gives people 6 month agendas regarding tournaments they enter and Something called Grand prix trophy titles ;)
I'm on 66 points in the under 120 competition!
After round 5 of my first ever congress (and first of many I hope, also the most recent) I had just missed out on the prize money for the overall competition, and I was narrowly too highly graded for the grading prize. I said outloud in the analysis room: "I must remember to start sandbagging, so that I can win some money next year!"
Hopefully no one took my threat seriously I would not dream of doing that!
Apr 29, 2014
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Cruiseylee78 wrote:
How do u know u are on 66 points lol? On the next list I will be number 1 in the country in the u140 section. Need to keep it going though. Wont be under 140 for much longer.
Good luck in the tournament. Your having quite a good season in ECF graded chess, as I always consider someone who has won more than they have lost as having a good season!
The points system is easy to work out, using nothing more than a pen and paper, or a simple pocket calculator. I therefore worked out my own score, (although I have only entered 1 congress, so easy enough to work out!)
3. Grand Prix Scoring
Grand Prix points may be scored in any number of events. To score, the player must be an ECF Direct Member at the time of the event.
(a) Scoring Grand Prix points in an event
(i) The Member must play at least four games in the event. Byes and wins by default will not be counted.
(ii) In a Standardplay event the Member’s Grand Prix points are calculated as: – percentage score in the event, with any fraction of a percent ignored; plus the number of games played in that event (up to a maximum of 11).
In the Staffordshire Chess Congress Under 120 competition I scored 2 wins, a draw and a loss from 4 matches, therefore overall scoring 2.5 out of 4. As a percentage this is 62.5%.
The .5 is ignored, and then 4 is added on as I played 4 games in the congress. Hence the GP score I am on is 66.
Of course I am in no danger of winning the thing as I don't enter enough congresses (and to be honest, I can't because of work.) But its nice to know I am on the list somewhere.
I see your on 585 points, only 9 behind the leader. You could get the pen and paper yourself, but the maximum score anyone could get is 777 (7 scores of 100%) plus 11 games played in all those 7 events. So there is still plenty of room for everyone to improve in the 120-139 section.
I got crushed today by someone who lost their last 12 games by resigning on the first move. Its lame but I don't know how they could possibly stop people from doing it.
Apr 29, 2014
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NathanielGraham wrote:
I got crushed today by someone who lost their last 12 games by resigning on the first move. Its lame but I don't know how they could possibly stop people from doing it.
It's pretty easy to catch by looking at the game history. Some of these guys gloat about their sandbagging conquests on forums and profiles. It's just abusive behavior in my book.
dmxn2k wrote:
It seems like something that should be stopped. If there is a deliberate pattern that others have seen, I don't see why the administrators cannot see it as well.
Perhaps there should be a limite like allowing a win every other year.
I agree with the above.
People not only sandbag for prizes, they often exhibit some psychological problem in which they gloat over their artificial "upsets."
What you are talking about would explain why in most tournaments that I enter its full of players I am competitive with. However, when I joined the annual Chess.com tournament, I was rated in the 1400 - 1600 section. I had no chance. I got crushed easily. I did see it as Chess Lessons. However, I do like your idea of Rating Floor.
Check out a sandbagger-"zug2". He's in the 1100's in bullet but is winning matches against 1700, with a best win against a 2200.
It's shabby but whatever. If people wanna do it that badly let them have at it.
Another bagger: "nothingbutpsychology"
I struggled to get an even score, thinking he was 1100.
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Am I a sandbagger?
Another one is "1over137".
Jion_Wansu wrote:
Am I a sandbagger?
I would not think so, don't see any rating extremes. I just played someone (1over137) rated about 1250 in bullet and their highest achieved rating in bullet was over 1900! This is a gigantic difference.
In addition he may be using a program occasionally, because his bullet strength seemed lower than 1900 to me. Someone else noted this on his profile.
The subject of cheating is very interesting to me. An estimate of game cheaters is about 7%. Men cheat more than females. They tend to carry this over to other aspects of life, such as cheating on school tests. They are also more likely to engage in theft of material objects- I suppose cheating is itself a form of theft, so this seems predictable.
Never underestimate the lengths people will go to win a virtual trophy.
reddersn wrote:
Whats is your view on grade management also known as sandbagging. Without naming names, you can view all the prize winners from the UK weekend chess congress via online results, and it always seems to be the same few that bag the prizes and grade prizes. But the next year and the year after they are still in the same sections. I welcome your comments.
Report them and move on
Whats is your view on grade management also known as sandbagging. Without naming names, you can view all the prize winners from the UK weekend chess congress via online results, and it always seems to be the same few that bag the prizes and grade prizes. But the next year and the year after they are still in the same sections. I welcome your comments.