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Icelandic Gambit Declined??


  • 23 months ago · Quote · #1

    blasterdragon

    hi i came across an opening against the icelandic gambit by black

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #2

    RetiFan

    This is SCANDINAVIAN, not Icelandic Gambit Declined. Black could also take with the queen like Qxd5. White may seem to have an edge, but this opening gives black reasonable chances.



  • 23 months ago · Quote · #3

    blasterdragon

    RetiFan wrote:

    This is SCANDINAVIAN, not Icelandic Gambit Declined. Black could also take with the queen like Qxd5. White may seem to have an edge, but this opening gives black reasonable chances.

     



    Queen takes d5 is the scandanavian nf6 is the icelandic gambit normally white tries to hold on to the pawn with c4 and black plays e6 where after the exhchange of pawns black has a development advantage and counter chances

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #4

    RetiFan

    Yes yes yes, but in the OP, you take the pawn with the Knight, that is Scandinavian Marshall Variation isn't it? To become Iceland Gambit, c4 and e6 must be played and to become declined, white must not take e6.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #5

    nick_p12

    Yeah I think it is Marshall Variation

    and not all Nf6 variations are Icelandic.

    For it to become Icelandic c4 and e6 is a must.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #6

    TitanCG

    I think White is doing better after 7.Qb3.

    Other than that it's just a way for White to play for a small avantage. There's no way to gambit here.

    I guess you should check 3.c4 e6/c6 4.d4 as well since there's no gambit there either.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #7

    RetiFan

    7.Qb3 at which line?

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #8

    TitanCG

    Post #2

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #9

    RetiFan

    Yeah, I completely forgot about that, Qb3 is good for white, sorry.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #10

    TitanCG

    lol no big deal.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #11

    satxusa

    4. c4, Nb6 is mainline, followed by either a fianchetto setup or e6 setup.  e6 is more sound.  If that line if White plays 5. Nc3, e5 should be played immediately and in general blacks plan involves an e5 or c5 pawn thrust.

    Famous game in this line.



  • 23 months ago · Quote · #12

    blasterdragon

    satxusa wrote:

    4. c4, Nb6 is mainline, followed by either a fianchetto setup or e6 setup.  e6 is more sound.  If that line if White plays 5. Nc3, e5 should be played immediately and in general blacks plan involves an e5 or c5 pawn thrust.

    Famous game in this line.

     



    in that game white seemed to make alot of pawn moves and neglected his development perhaps white should have played this although im not sure what black should play these probabley are not the best moves if you could recomend the best moves that would be great but they seem to be the most natural/obvious moves oh and white can afford to block his f-pawn with n.f3 since white already has a strong center

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #13

    DaBigOne

    what about the portegeuse????

     

    e4 d5 ed5 Nf6 d4 bg4!?

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #14

    AndyClifton

    They were big seafarers way back when.  But perhaps more importantly, they invented Mateus.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #15

    satxusa

    I am citing that game from the Houska book "starting out: the Scandinavian."

    From OTB play and practically speaking the e5 or c5 pawnbreak is huge in the Nf6 Scandinavian. If white can prevent it black wil be at a disadvantage. 

    I personally don't like any lines with the dark squared bishop fianchettoed at g6.  Black loses the initiative, ends up behind a tempo and down a pawn BUT that bishop is VERY powerful in the endgame.  The dark squared bishop must not be traded off if it can be avoided in any Nf6 lines regardless of fianchetto.

    Here are some side lines you will face playing this opening.

    Ideal Setup not the g6 Fianchetto Lines...



     

     

     

     

     

    When I first started playing the Nf6 Scandinavian having the knights on b6 and c6 with the pawns near made me nervous, but after c5 Nd5 is a solid move and e6 prevents threats from d5.

    Its a fun opening, and most players OTB 80-90% with the white peices will play Nc3 or c4 and try to "keep" their gambit pawn.

    This line is see often from white as well you should know it because most white players don't follow the "book" lines in this opening.

    Hope you find this helpful.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #16

    satxusa

    blasterdragon wrote:
    satxusa wrote:

    4. c4, Nb6 is mainline, followed by either a fianchetto setup or e6 setup.  e6 is more sound.  If that line if White plays 5. Nc3, e5 should be played immediately and in general blacks plan involves an e5 or c5 pawn thrust.

    Famous game in this line.

     



    in that game white seemed to make alot of pawn moves and neglected his development perhaps white should have played this although im not sure what black should play these probabley are not the best moves if you could recomend the best moves that would be great but they seem to be the most natural/obvious moves oh and white can afford to block his f-pawn with n.f3 since white already has a strong center

     

    The point of that line is to show what happens if white does not play Nf3 soon enough.  It is a critical move for white to stop the e5 pawn break.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #17

    royalbishop

    1. e4 d5         2. exd5 Nf6
     3. d4 Nxd5     4. c4 Nb6
    5. Nc3 e5        6. Nf3 exd4
     
    How many times is this used?   1 e4   Nc3?
  • 23 months ago · Quote · #18

    satxusa

    Personally, I have never played that line OTB.

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #19

    royalbishop

    Is this serious or just something to talk about here?

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #20

    ghostofmaroczy

    @royalbishop, The Icelandic Gambit is not as good as the Kadas Gambit.  The Kadas Gambit is 1 e4 d5 2 exd5 Nf6 3 c4 c6 and white should not accept it.  After 4 d4 cxd5 the game has transposed to the Panov.


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