How Can The Forums Be Made Even Better?

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wormrose

Hey! That is really cool! Thank you very much. Wink

Baldr

The thing that bugs me about the forums is that I find no way to look at "new" posts in a thread.  If I've read a thread before, and people have posted more, there seems to be no easy way to jump past the msgs I've already read and start reading with the new messages.

Most forum software supports that feature, but if it's available here, I haven't found it.

pdela
wormrose wrote:

Hey! That is really cool! Thank you very much.


yus welcome

wormrose
Baldr wrote:

The thing that bugs me about the forums is that I find no way to look at "new" posts in a thread.  If I've read a thread before, and people have posted more, there seems to be no easy way to jump past the msgs I've already read and start reading with the new messages.

Most forum software supports that feature, but if it's available here, I haven't found it.


I'm not sure what you are doing wrong but it works for me the way you said you want it to be. I tick the box where it says [Track this forum topic] and when there are new comments I get an alert on {My Home] page and find the topic in [My Tracked Activity]. When I click on it the page opens at the first of the new comments I haven't yet read.

Cystem_Phailure

I'm a little concerned about the tone of the top 4 items in the survey, all of which have to do with "addressing" content, and hint of limiting, or removing, or otherwise controlling individual posts.  It's bad enough we've got the chesstapo "moderating" random posts (which is a misnomer, because the affected posts are censored, not moderated-- it's the forum that is moderated). The instant a decision is made to allow some of the items mentioned in the survey to be addressed, the fight becomes who gets to set the rules.  And I've never met anyone yet who didn't think their own idea of acceptable restrictions was perfectly reasonable for application to everyone else.  So those were 4 easy none of the aboves for me.

Cystem_Phailure
wormrose wrote:  I'm not sure what you are doing wrong but it works for me the way you said you want it to be.

Me too-- when I click on the links in the "New Comments" section of my main page it takes me to the first comment added after I was last viewing that particular thread.  You didn't mention-- are you "tracking" the topics?  I assume that feature wouldn't work for an untracked thread.

artfizz
wormrose wrote:

Finally, I'm going to adress the actual topic of this forum. I looked at the questionaire and mostly checked [none of the above] because most of those things don't really matter to me. I wish c.c had the same amount (or even almost the same amount) of interest in the chess aspects of the site such as the playing board and the move numbers being screwed up in vote chess and allowing ratings for un-timed tactics trainer excercises. There should be more tools for editing chess articles in forums such as the old interactive diagrams that they took away that were availble in many sizes. Now we have the one size fits all and takes up too much space version. Was that mentioned in the survey? If it was I didn't see it.  edit: - Text should wrap around pictures too. There's probably more if I took a minute to think about it but if those things mattered they would have been on the survey.


Sounds like a suitable subject for your follow-up survey into the things that really matter in the chess.com forums.

artfizz
artfizz wrote: Hey! that's a new smiley that isn't available

wormrose wrote: It's available at yahoo    along with many others    I use them all the time   to convey, guess what? EMOTIONS    so that people will know when I'm (trying to be) funny    cuz my sense of humor tends to be somewhat dry

we could sure use them here - especially in vote chess game forums


Great resource! Thanks for the tip.

Incidentally, another problem with the forum editor is that QUOTE doesn't copy URLs properly. You have to go back and copy them individually.

artfizz
pdela wrote:

       [artfizz wrote:] "UF7. The titles of forum topics cannot be subsequently corrected or changed."

[is] WRONG


 

wormrose wrote: Please tell me how! 

 

pdela wrote:  here    (i.e. Manage Content from your Profile page)  action->edit  

 

Wow! You learn something new every day.

artfizz
Cystem_Phailure wrote:

I'm a little concerned about the tone of the top 4 items in the survey, all of which have to do with "addressing" content, and hint of limiting, or removing, or otherwise controlling individual posts.  It's bad enough we've got the chesstapo "moderating" random posts (which is a misnomer, because the affected posts are censored, not moderated-- it's the forum that is moderated). The instant a decision is made to allow some of the items mentioned in the survey to be addressed, the fight becomes who gets to set the rules.  And I've never met anyone yet who didn't think their own idea of acceptable restrictions was perfectly reasonable for application to everyone else.  So those were 4 easy none of the aboves for me.


CN1. The same boring, unimaginative, repetitive topics continually recur. 28%
CN2. Too many contributors post inane comments such as “LOL”, “First!”, “me 2” or “Easy”. 28%
CN3. People starting irrelevant forum topics 10%
CN4. Embedded youtube videos 7%

Limits have to be set somewhere. Take flashing images via animated GIFs, for instance. Currently very few people use them. If they ever became widespread, I imagine chess.com would explicitly ban them since they can cause actual harm to a small proportion - and annoyance to a larger population.

LOL's and Easy!'s became a genuine bad habit in the specific area of the Daily Puzzle - and this was eventually addressed - without impinging on the wider forums.

Consider image size: virtually everyone avoids posting images larger than 600x600 pixels (although the one above probably just exceeds that!) since it otherwise necessitates horizontal scrolling within the topic. If very large images were routinely posted, it would affect the forum experience for everyone, and it would probably be stamped down on.

I think there are certain norms of 'good practice' that are widely accepted e.g. only routinely using a font size between 8pt and 16pt.

However, I agree that judgements of 'inane', 'boring' and 'irrelevant' are entirely subjective. If the survey showed that a significant proportion found many topics were 'irrelevant', there would still be several ways to address it, e.g.

  • motivate more members to post in the forums
  • introduce new forum categories for better separation of different types of posts
  • improve filtering

that didn't eliminate 'freedom of expression'.

Thanks for the valuable feedback.

goldendog

Now I can rename some of those threads I inherited. Poetic justice if I can manage something witty.

Cystem_Phailure

Artfizz, thanks for the reply-- just to clarify, I'm not sure if you included the results for the 4 responses just as an example or because I wrote "top 4 items".  I meant I'm uncomfortable with the first 4 entire questions (content, behavior, poor practice, etc.), not just the 1st 4 items in Question 1 .

I think image dimensions and allowed image types and font sizes are a different matter than actual content (by which I mean thoughts and the manner of expression).  I've always been in the "don't like it? don't read it!" camp, and would support improved filtering that would allow individuals to be able not to view posts by specified members, basically a user-configurable kill file.  I'm sure we've all identified (different) individuals whose posts always cause us to roll our eyes and quickly skip ahead to the next post, and that is the best way to handle it rather than prohibiting the posts or requiring alteration based on simple majority preferences.

Such a kill file function should be separate from the current "blocked user" function, as there may be people whose posts I always find tiresome and would like to hide, but I may still be perfectly happy to play them in a game or receive personal messages or notes from them about team news or whatever.  Ideally it would set up so it was as easy to invoke a kill function from directly within the forum as it is to mark a thread for tracking, without having to go to my account or preferences like is necessary to block a member.  However, within the account preferences there might be a way to manage the killed members, to see who you've hidden and have the ability to unkill them later if desired.

I saw one forum once where each individual post could be collapsed to show just the header, identifying the poster and time, and thus marking the position of the post in the thread.  Clicking the plus symbol expanded that post so you could read the content.  The neat part was that the default was that posts were always expanded, but you could specify which members' posts you wanted to always appear initially in collapsed form so you could see they had posted but didn't have to suffer through their drivel.

artfizz
Cystem_Phailure wrote:

Artfizz, thanks for the reply-- just to clarify, I'm not sure if you included the results for the 4 responses just as an example or because I wrote "top 4 items".  I meant I'm uncomfortable with the first 4 entire questions (content, behavior, poor practice, etc.), not just the 1st 4 items in Question 1 .

This other topic ... tally-forum-annoyances-ii ... collected a list of items that at least one person (and possibly exactly one person!) found annoying. I grouped the 41 items to make the survey more manageable.

I used the categories: 

  • Content
  • Behavioural / Attitude (Poor Forum Practice, Poor Forum Puzzle Practice)
  • Usability / Functionality
  • Control / Regulation
  • Viewing / Filtering
  • Searching
  • Referencing
  • Retention

(Poor Forum Practice and Poor Forum Puzzle Practice I artificially split off from Behavioural/Attitude - so that the number of items in each category would be around half a dozen.)

With SurveyBob, I used the single selection from group option.

I think image dimensions and allowed image types and font sizes are a different matter than actual content (by which I mean thoughts and the manner of expression).

Agreed: Content and Behaviour/Attitude aspects are about the individual choices we make as forum posters; the other categories describe missing functionality or bugs.

 I've always been in the "don't like it? don't read it!" camp, and would support improved filtering that would allow individuals to be able not to view posts by specified members, basically a user-configurable kill file.  I'm sure we've all identified (different) individuals whose posts always cause us to roll our eyes and quickly skip ahead to the next post, and that is the best way to handle it rather than prohibiting the posts or requiring alteration based on simple majority preferences.

Agreed. In any case, it is much easier to avoid looking at things we don't want to see than it is to change the underlying behaviour.

Such a kill file function should be separate from the current "blocked user" function, as there may be people whose posts I always find tiresome and would like to hide, but I may still be perfectly happy to play them in a game or receive personal messages or notes from them about team news or whatever.  Ideally it would set up so it was as easy to invoke a kill function from directly within the forum as it is to mark a thread for tracking, without having to go to my account or preferences like is necessary to block a member.  However, within the account preferences there might be a way to manage the killed members, to see who you've hidden and have the ability to unkill them later if desired.

Agreed. A finer degree of control than all-out-blocking would be appealing.

I saw one forum once where each individual post could be collapsed to show just the header, identifying the poster and time, and thus marking the position of the post in the thread.  Clicking the plus symbol expanded that post so you could read the content.  The neat part was that the default was that posts were always expanded, but you could specify which members' posts you wanted to always appear initially in collapsed form so you could see they had posted but didn't have to suffer through their drivel.

I hope someone at chess.com is listening to these excellent ideas!


There is still some benefit though in highlighting behaviour/attitudes that tick people off.

Take the occasional tendency to mock some posters' poor English. If enough people respond they find this attitude unacceptable, some of us might stop to think: 'Hang on, English may be this person's 2nd or 3rd language; is it such a clever idea to heap scorn on their attempt to communicate?'

Or take the way that occasionally, we name a community member and say: 'Person X should be stopped from continually posting nonsense' - which usually quickly degenerates into a flame war.

Hence the title of this topic: How can the forums be made even better?

Cystem_Phailure
goldendog wrote:

Now I can rename some of those threads I inherited. Poetic justice if I can manage something witty.


Sort of like getting last marking rights on a tree? Cool

littlehotpot

at atom is like a family, Neutron is the Dad, the Proton is the mum and the electrons are the kids, when uncontrolled release to much energy

pdela

When Newton saw an apple fall, he found ...
a mode of proving that the earth turn'd round
in a most natural whirl, called gravitation;
and thus is the sole mortal who could grapple
since Adam, with a fall or with an apple  -- Byron.
wormrose

I shot an arrow in the air

It fell to Earth I know not where

until I decode the telemetry 

artfizz
wormrose wrote:

I shot an arrow in the air

It fell to Earth I know not where

until I decode the telemetry 


Signif'cant that the survey

Omitt'd to assess po'try.

artfizz
paul211 wrote:

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2. Multiple answers for any questions could be considered with a grading system by having a  choice to rate from 1 to 5 with 5 questions, etc.

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Thanks for the suggestions.

SurveyBob is fairly limited in the features it offers.

artfizz

Q11: Which ASPECT of the Forums is in greatest need of improvement?

in terms of the slightly artificial categories I set up.

Thanks for your participation.