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bird99

Hello To All,

What a great site for chess! I haven't played the game in years but, with retirement, I have free time and decided to resume this game of kings!

My question is this: when starting a game I am assumming both players play without the use of assistance such as a computer or software, and that analysis by moving the pieces between turns is not permitted. Is that correct?  I was not able to find any posts on protocol.

Thanks

Daedalus

Computer programs, that provide analysis, used during the game is NOT permitted and is considered cheating. Cheating can result in getting your account banned, the website might even ban your IP adress so you cannot access chess.com (but only in extreme cases I think). You are correct Laughing

 

PS: Welcome to chess.com!

MathBandit

But you ARE allowed to move the pieces around on a board between moves.  The 'Analysis board' feature can help with that.

bird99

Thanks all for the clarifications.

artfizz

This Guide for the Perplexed may clarify the rules for you.

Resource

What is it?

Is it permitted DURING Turn-Based (and Vote Chess) play?

Is it permitted DURING LiveChess play?

Asking another person for advice

Includes discussing a game-in-progress in the chess.com Forums

NO* (except during VoteChess - when discussion WITHIN the team is expected)

NO

Books

This is a static resource and involves no calculation of best move.

YES

NO

Chess Engine(chess computer) the move evaluator within e.g.FritzChessMaster, etc.

Software (or free-standing gadget) that calculates the best move from a given position

NO (except by agreement of both players, where specifically arranged and must be UNRATEDgames e.g. in a tournament created for that purpose)

NO

Conditional Moves (Pre-Moves)

Setting your response in advance to one or more of your opponent’s moves

YES

YES

Internet articles; Google searches

This is a static resource and involves no calculation of best move.

YES

NO

Games Database e.g. chess.com’sGame Explorer

A database (or collection) of previous games, that is searchable. It is most useful as an Opening Database. (For Vote Chess games, the Explore button takes you directly into Game Explorer at that position. For turn-based games, the click the Analyse button followed by Explore).

YES* (There is some debate about whether DBs containing engine-engine games are permitted).

NO

Separate board for analysis e.g. chess.com’s Analysis Board 

 

YES

NO

TableBases

(Endings Database)

The results from an analysis of end games (stored in a database) in which the sequence of moves to achieve the best outcome has been calculated 

NO

 NO


http://support.chess.com/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=17&nav=0,6

ARTREF: WHAT IS ALLOWED

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/tournaments/games-explorer

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/what-are-chess-engines

kissinger

Please also consult the article i posted a while ago entitled:  "Can we use an Ouija Board when playing online chess?"

bird99

One more question by the perplexed seeking enlightment: I'm not clear about the difference between turn based and live chess. In my first game online my friend and I play for 4, 5 or 6 moves 'live' and then stop to do other things. I usually log off so my friend is not waiting for a move from me. Later, or the next day, I'll log on and respond. Is this live or turn based ?

Thanks

artfizz

Here's a quick summary of the various labels used for the two forms of chess - and how the two forms differ:

Correspondence Chess

Over The Board Chess

CC

OTB

Turn-based chess

LiveChess

Asynchronous chess

Synchronous Chess

Both players DO NOT HAVE TO BE online at the same time

Both players MUST BE online at the same time

Game may be completed in Multiple sessions

Game must be completed in a Single session

Days per move

Minutes/Seconds per move

Reference materials allowed

Reference materials NOT allowed

corum
bird99 wrote:

One more question by the perplexed seeking enlightment: I'm not clear about the difference between turn based and live chess. In my first game online my friend and I play for 4, 5 or 6 moves 'live' and then stop to do other things. I usually log off so my friend is not waiting for a move from me. Later, or the next day, I'll log on and respond. Is this live or turn based ?

Thanks


 Sounds like it is turn-based. The way to check is, at the top of this page if you select Play and then On-line chess for turn-based chess and Live Chess for live chess. In live chess you normally have to make a move every so many seconds or mimutes or you have to make all your moves in a fixed number of minutes. In turn-based chess you have much longer per move (e.g. 1 day per move or 1 week per move) - of course, when playing turn-based chess it doesn't stop you moving quicker (almost instantly) if you wish - this sounds as if what you were doing.

accord2

so you cant use a chess engine to figure out the best moves calculated , but you can use the analysis board to figure out the best calculation?whats the difference? the only thing i do is set up a board at home and go through different moves , it seems like using any kind of analysis program to calculate the best move is cheating.

jswilkmd

The analysis board doesn't calculate anything for you. It just automatically sets up a board on your computer screen with your current position on it so you don't have to set and reset your board at home.  You move the pieces around with your mouse.

 

To access the analysis board on your games, you click on the "move" tab over the chat dialog box. That tab will tell you what moves have been made so far.  At the bottom of the move box, you'll see a link to "analysis board."  Click that and it'll open up a new window with the pieces in their current position.  Move them around with your mouse, just like you'd move the pieces around on a board on your kitchen table.

accord2

aha that sounds better for me than setting up at home because my daughter keeps trying to move the pieces

jswilkmd
accord2 wrote:

aha that sounds better for me than setting up at home because my daughter keeps trying to move the pieces


Well, then that means it's time to teach her how to play!

artfizz
accord2 wrote: aha that sounds better for me than setting up at home because my daughter keeps trying to move the pieces

jswilkmd wrote: Well, then that means it's time to teach her how to play!

If your daughter is assisting you by moving the pieces, you are contravening the site rules. Wink


ichabod801

Artfizz, I notice that your Guide for the Perplexed (very cool, BTW) talks about calculation of the best move or best outcome. Does that mean that tools which do other calculations, but don't rate moves at all, would be OK? Like a tool which calculated all the possible moves.

artfizz
ichabod801 wrote: Artfizz, I notice that your Guide for the Perplexed (very cool, BTW) talks about calculation of the best move or best outcome. Does that mean that tools which do other calculations, but don't rate moves at all, would be OK? Like a tool which calculated all the possible moves.

I was just going to refer you back to the engine discussion (http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/define-quotchess-enginequot) - but I see you initiated that topic!

This is certainly a borderline case. In the sense that such a projection gives you information about the future, I suppose it should be disallowed. When using the Analysis Board (or a physical alternative board), it is quite easy to overlook possible moves.

There have been discussions in the past about the situation where there is only a single move possible: should the system make it automatically for you? One counterargument was that you might not be able to discover that sole possible move - and in a real game, you would therefore, timeout.

accord2
artfizz wrote:
accord2 wrote: aha that sounds better for me than setting up at home because my daughter keeps trying to move the pieces

jswilkmd wrote: Well, then that means it's time to teach her how to play!

If your daughter is assisting you by moving the pieces, you are contravening the site rules. 



 right now she only knows the pieces name s and says check on every move. she would be better assisting me with some otb games because she would take my opponents pieces and hide them in the closet .

wormrose

My wife just looked over my shoulder and told me my horsey was going to be eaten. Have I cheated?

Nytik
accord2 wrote:
artfizz wrote:
accord2 wrote: aha that sounds better for me than setting up at home because my daughter keeps trying to move the pieces

jswilkmd wrote: Well, then that means it's time to teach her how to play!

If your daughter is assisting you by moving the pieces, you are contravening the site rules. 



 right now she only knows the pieces name s and says check on every move. she would be better assisting me with some otb games because she would take my opponents pieces and hide them in the closet .


Your daughter would do that... I know 16 year olds that do that... stupid immature idiots...

artfizz
wormrose wrote:

My wife just looked over my shoulder and told me my horsey was going to be eaten. Have I cheated?


A cowboy walks into a bar and orders a drink. Someone suddenly screams "He's taking your horse!". The cowboy get's up shoots a guy then runs out to see that his horse was fine. Comes back in, orders another drink, a voice says "He's taking your horse!". The cowboy get's up, shoots another guy, runs out but there was no one near his horse and he comes back in. The bartender says "Move the damn horse away from the queen already before this guy shoots us all!"

          (in my country the knight is called horse :p ). [Costin]