J’ai observé plusieurs variantes parmi les dames à partir de mi 80 : boule de petit diamètre., pour arriver avec une boule bien ronde et dessinée vers le début des années 90 (voir WCC 2000) qui se transforme définitivement après 95 en pustule que je n’aime pas vraiment.
Voir #206 et suivant et #310
Je ne crois pas à une recherche esthétique mais plutôt un changement d’opérateur et/ou une augmentation de productivité en réduisant le temps de son élaboration…
En tout cas c’est ce qui visuellement semble le plus probable, à l’instar de ce qui s’est produit pour les pieces soviétiques.
While carefully reading through the 27 pages of this thread..."
LOL I'm glad I'm not the only one.
J’ai observé plusieurs variantes parmi les dames à partir de mi 80 : boule de petit diamètre., pour arriver avec une boule bien ronde et dessinée vers le début des années 90 (voir WCC 2000) qui se transforme définitivement après 95 en pustule que je n’aime pas vraiment.
Voir #206 et suivant et #310…
The design of the model from post #206 / 1990 in #310 is the same as the games—unweighted, unfelted, unvarnished, and already quite worn—that were available at La Bolée or Le Cloître in the early '90s.
They were widely used in clubs back then, so it’s strange that so few are on the market now.
Walter, I have come across a Chavet maybe?
2 5/8" King, 1 1/4" base
pic above is the board
Excellent!
It's a Chavet! If you could take a picture of the logo inside the box, as if you scanned it, that would be great. Isn't there a stamp under the box?
The folding chessboard is also a very beautiful object. I think I know that it comes from a Parisian chess maker named Faure, who specialized in correspondence chess items until the 1960s. He has a patent.
The whole set is probably from the 1960s, or even a little before or after.
Excellent!
It's a Chavet! If you could take a picture...
Merci beaucoup. I have decided to purchase and shall provide the pictures upon arrival.
I very much appreciate the information on the board. The board was the hook for me.
Sounds pretty cool ngl
Walter>>>That close up of the badge inside the top lid of the box that you requested upon delivery. Going back out to play some more.
??? Mieux J'Attends ??? = Better I wait ? Expect more?
Ok I am back. This picture is about the same quality as the last, was there something specific you wanted to see?
The king turns out to be 80mm... the seller had measured the queen.
Merci !!!
I haven't found a box with this logo yet, so to make it easier to organize, I sometimes redraw certain logos, but my last attempt wasn't satisfactory...
There's a second one with this motto, which I attribute to Lardy, with a sky blue/cyan background.
• Better I wait = Mieux J'attends
Without going into all the history, this is primarily the motto of the "de Dortans" family and the village of Dortan. In the village, you can see this family's castle. It housed many residents after the devastating Nazi invasion in July 1944. Legend also says that Voltaire, the famous French philosopher of the Age of Enlightenment, played chess there during his stay in Dortan.
Regarding the chessboard, this isn't the first time I've seen it paired with an identical set by Henri Chavet.
I found this advertisement in a 1962 directory and haven't found any others after that date.
It is therefore Antoine Faure, who filed a patent for this "folding chessboard numbered around the edge for scoring games, allowing for correspondence play and creating and solving chess problems, etc., model".
Here are 3 copies in sizes 30, 40 and 55 mm square. Sometimes with his name, often without, and even with the brand of famous billiard and parlor game manufacturers. Here, G Caro of Paris. They all have these little feet that allow them to be balanced on any stable surface. I love this style.
Logo Chavet update
Walter I am so happy to be a part of your wonderful information hub.
So is this really a first for you to see the logo on the inside of the box? Am I reading/understanding that correctly?
ALSO
" Antoine Faure, who filed a patent for this "folding chessboard numbered around the edge for scoring games, allowing for correspondence play and creating and solving chess problems, etc., model".
So Antoine Faure patented the first boards with Algebraic Notation in history's shift from Descriptive Notation? That is of huge interest to me and a landmark in chess. I thrive off nuance stories of history.
Thanks again for your sharing guidance and expertise.
Let me know if it could fill a hole in your collection. I would be honored to somehow transfer ownership of the box/pieces to you. I prefer to keep the board as you have some already.
Colin
Vancouver, Canada
P.S.: I did notice and love the brass tacks on the bottom of the board. They are perfect for exterior tables.
Also the sellers father used to play correspondance chess over a HAM radio from Heron, New Brunswick to Gatineau, Quebec and always had 2 boards set up. The seller and siblings were kids had to keep silent and remembers that well.
ALSO: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbk6GoPvUY8
Min 10:14 MAYBE of a spanish style bishop a chavet knight and a spanish tipical knight IS SHOWN IN FOOTAGE.
I meant to say that I don't own a set with this logo, but I do have several of these sets, maybe too many. Thank you for your very kind offer; we could also do an exchange...
Regarding Faure, I haven't yet found out exactly what this patent corresponds to. But it seems to me that it does have some connection with the description that became standardized in the 1970s. (https://sites.pitt.edu/~schach/News/PA/Shippensburg_March_2003.pdf)
Thanks for the video link; I love this kind of reporting!
@Walterbiensur merci pour la recherche et la réponse !
Oui, je me souviens du Kasparov, je l’ai eu en taille 5, il était très agréable à jouer en rapide/classique mais nul en blitz ; d’ailleurs je croyais qu’ils en avaient arrêté la fabrication/distribution en 1995 ?
En ce qui concerne le buis, les variétés poussées en Europe de l’ouest sont de base beaucoup moins jaunes et ne foncent pas de la même manière avec le temps que les variétés importées (russes etc).
Au sujet du jeux dont j’ai posté des photos précédemment, oui je constate que c’est bien un mix entre celui de votre photo sur le tapis de jeux vert— dont les fous, tours et rois sont, au passage, très ressemblants aux Chavets de la même époque — et la reine du catalogue SMIR.
Quelle déception !!! J’hésite à aller chez Variantes dès demain matin pour leur demander un remboursement ! Hahaha
Autre sujet : dans certains commentaires vous faites débuter la reine de Chavet avec le très gros bouton (boule) parfois dans les année 80 et parfois dans les années 90. Plutôt milieu-fin des années 80, non ?