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He meant first the book on tactics, then the book on endgames and only then the books on strategy. Which makes alot of sense btw.

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*LOL at the IM who totally dissed Silman*

He has a good point though, the books on your list are kind of useless.

I'm not sure what your playing level is but something like a printed out version of http://www.chess.com/download/view/chesskidcom-curriculum.  If you can practice all the stuff in this and do all the worksheets/ find a training partner for the practice stuff, it will be 100 times better then the chess books you listed.  Unless of course you are already a strong player.

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Silman is a chess merchant.

He is not a bad player (his top ELO was more or less the same as mine, which means a weak IM), but it's rather apparent that there are chess authorities which have written way better books- simply because they have a much better understanding of chess.

I have trained in the past a handful of GM's (currently), but I never authored a book, as I had the feeling some other author would make a better job than me. And I do not care how much it could sell via the proper marketing tunnel. I make my living via other means.

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9ll_Elite_9ll wrote:

He has a good point though, the books on your list are kind of useless.


They're not "useless". Nunn's book is especially great, even if it's a bit on the tough side (there are easier tactics books for beginners around).

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pfren wrote:

it's rather apparent that there are chess authorities which have written way better books- simply because they have a much better understanding of chess.

 

Or at least, that they can convey said knowledge better via the printed page...

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pfren wrote:

Unlike Silman's Complete Endgame Course which is a very good book, Amateur's Mind is not memorable at all- most of the examples in it are either poor, or poorly documented (and by that I do not mean just the pompous superficial declarations that abound in it). I think it is just better than the last edition of Reassess Your Chess but this is hardly a recommendation of it. Most Silman opening books are rather poor too, but fortunately enough the author has stopped writing such stuff quite some time ago.


I have to disagree with you regarding The Amateur's MindI have found the book to be a great help.  But as with anything, we all have our own ways of learning.  What doesnt appeal to one person will work for another. 

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AndyClifton wrote:
pfren wrote:

it's rather apparent that there are chess authorities which have written way better books- simply because they have a much better understanding of chess.

 

Or at least, that they can convey said knowledge better via the printed page...


This is likely. But (not concidentially) 99% of the authors that have made great chess books are at least 1-2 scales better players than Silman (and myself).

Not necesarily top guns, but really very strong players. Not every stong player is able to write a great chess book- but some are. A mediocre player can write a decent book, but not more than that.

I have found the book to be a great help.

OK, by all means use it, then. I am the last one that will prevent you, or encourage you.

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True.  I must say though that Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy by John Watson, a "mere" IM, is one of my favorites.  Perhaps one of the strengths of that book is not so much the attempt to distill all knowledge into its pages as to suggest all the great things that are still possible in the game.

And (obviously) most everyone would consider you a "really strong" player.  Perhaps what you're really saying is that it would take a super-GM to write a book which you would regard as a gem (lol)...which I imagine is true (I mean, how would I know?). Smile  But I still feel that worthy works can be fashioned for the needs of the great mass of players.

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To be honest I'm a bit lost here. Some say the books are kind of useless, other are recommending them in ALOT of topics here and they also get good reviews. And I've used the search option alot. 

I guess I will have to use my own judgement since there aren't alot of chess 'bibles' around in the sea of books. I will definitely buy silman's endgame course. I also will finish to read Logical Chess because I like it. I still have to do I have to do some research about a good tactics book. The Neishtadt's seems hard to get so I guess I have to make a choice between

- Learn Chess Tactics, Nunn

- Winnig Chess, Chernev/Reinfeld 

- Chess Tactics for Champions, Polgar

In the end, I think I will end up owning alot of books and have to use my own judgement on what the best ones were :P. 

Thanks for all your advice though. Without it I would have bought the books in the OP. 

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waterpoortkrijger wrote:

- Learn Chess Tactics, Nunn

- Winnig Chess, Chernev/Reinfeld 

- Chess Tactics for Champions, Polgar


I'd say begin with

- Back to Basics: Tactics by Dan Heisman

and then follow up with

- Learn Chess Tactics by John Nunn

Then you have learned enough basic tacics and for further training should rather switch to a "puzzle book" like e.g.

- Ultimate Chess Puzzle Book by John Emms

There's also a puzzle book by Nunn, but his puzzles are demoralizingly hard.

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The Most Instructive Games of Chess Ever Played by Chernev is much better than Logical Chess, even though it may have some of the same failings as described by Nunn. As a (very) basic guide to strategic thinking its very enjoyable and you feel like you may have learnt something at the end of it all. I have to say I found The Amateur's Mind disappointing, given the reviews, really its the same mistakes just rehashed over and over again, it could have been a 3000 word article and made the same points.

I haven't read the 'Winning' series by Seirawan, but they generally seem well received given the target audience, you might like to look at Winning Tactics and Winning Strategy for a start,

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Yeah, Instructive Games was quite good.  I still remember that one of Smyslov's where he just sat on the d5 square with his knight.

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pfren wrote:

Not necesarily top guns, but really very strong players. Not every stong player is able to write a great chess book- but some are. A mediocre player can write a decent book, but not more than that.


I tend to suspect that isn't true at all. While the better one's understanding of the game, the more nuanced a point one might make, it is the case that for a book to be highly useful for us players under the level of titled players, highly nuanced points aren't really what we need. 

What we need is clear, concise, readible text that makes the points we need to hear in a memorable, enjoyable fashion. I have no doubt that Nunn's analysis in his "Move by Move" book is far superior to Chernev's analysis in "Logical Chess." But I was able to get through all of the games in Chernev's book and I haven't been able to get through all the games in Nunn's book.

So guess which one I got more out of? 

College students need text books written by PhD'ed experts, but grade school kids need relevant information presented in an accessible fashion and most any person with an undergarduate degree has far more knowledge than the grade school kids need.

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waterpoortkrijger wrote:

To be honest I'm a bit lost here. Some say the books are kind of useless, other are recommending them in ALOT of topics here and they also get good reviews. And I've used the search option alot. 

I guess I will have to use my own judgement since there aren't alot of chess 'bibles' around in the sea of books. I will definitely buy silman's endgame course. I also will finish to read Logical Chess because I like it. I still have to do I have to do some research about a good tactics book. The Neishtadt's seems hard to get so I guess I have to make a choice between

- Learn Chess Tactics, Nunn

- Winnig Chess, Chernev/Reinfeld 

- Chess Tactics for Champions, Polgar

In the end, I think I will end up owning alot of books and have to use my own judgement on what the best ones were :P. 

Thanks for all your advice though. Without it I would have bought the books in the OP. 


I won't tell you which book to pick : as you can see, everybody has his own opinion (though you should take into account the chess level of the people giving advice too if your goal is improvement).

However, I would recommend two things :

- whichever book you pick, try to spend some time on the examples, and try to find the answers of any diagram before looking at what the author has to say : this will help both your understanding and memorization,

- if some book seems too complicated or too boring, just leave it aside : fun helps the learning process ; you can always come back later when you have the 'appetite' for its contents.

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Funny enough while everyone going on about how to play better chess but forget on how to think during the game of chess, so how about The Improving Chess Thinker by Dan Heisman.

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kco wrote:

Funny enough while everyone going on about how to play better chess but forget on how to think during the game of chess, so how about The Improving Chess Thinker by Dan Heisman.


Well, it's the book that helped me most. 

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Then there was this one (my favorite way back when):