A Bust to the Sicilian Defense

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kindaspongey

Jul 31, 2019

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#961

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

this is the critical move i had in my notes, wouldve still done fine. im the 3rd in the tournament and 100% winrate with the alapin. gonna win me some bucks because i discovered this thread

So you have no reply to 5...d5 that you wish to share with us? By the way, does the choice of 2 Nf3 represent an absence of a belief in a forced win for White after 2 c3 ?

looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

dawson_632

Jul 31, 2019

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#962

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

this is the critical move i had in my notes, wouldve still done fine. im the 3rd in the tournament and 100% winrate with the alapin. gonna win me some bucks because i discovered this thread

So you have no reply to 5...d5 that you wish to share with us? By the way, does the choice of 2 Nf3 represent an absence of a belief in a forced win for White after 2 c3 ?

looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

doesnt matter, i still have 100% win rate

kindaspongey

Jul 31, 2019

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#963

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

this is the critical move i had in my notes, wouldve still done fine. im the 3rd in the tournament and 100% winrate with the alapin. gonna win me some bucks because i discovered this thread

So you have no reply to 5...d5 that you wish to share with us? By the way, does the choice of 2 Nf3 represent an absence of a belief in a forced win for White after 2 c3 ?

looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

... and i have with 100% win rate with it. nothing less, nothing more. you can infer as much as you like

The point that is being made here is about what you are willing to state and what you are not willing to state.

kindaspongey

Jul 31, 2019

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#964

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

doesnt matter, i still have 100% win rate

It might matter to those who are concerned with conclusions about 1 e4 c5 2 c3.

dawson_632

Jul 31, 2019

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#965

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

this is the critical move i had in my notes, wouldve still done fine. im the 3rd in the tournament and 100% winrate with the alapin. gonna win me some bucks because i discovered this thread

So you have no reply to 5...d5 that you wish to share with us? By the way, does the choice of 2 Nf3 represent an absence of a belief in a forced win for White after 2 c3 ?

looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

doesnt matter, i still have 100% win rate

It might matter to those who are concerned with conclusions about 1 e4 c5 2 c3.

ive already posted a game about this variation too? whats exactly your point?

carlitosroyalg

Jul 31, 2019

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#966

alguien se hecha alguna partida?

kindaspongey

Jul 31, 2019

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#967

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

this is the critical move i had in my notes, wouldve still done fine. im the 3rd in the tournament and 100% winrate with the alapin. gonna win me some bucks because i discovered this thread

So you have no reply to 5...d5 that you wish to share with us? By the way, does the choice of 2 Nf3 represent an absence of a belief in a forced win for White after 2 c3 ?

looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

doesnt matter, i still have 100% win rate

It might matter to those who are concerned with conclusions about 1 e4 c5 2 c3.

ive already posted a game about this variation too? whats exactly your point?

It seems appropriate to me to clear up any potential confusion about whether or not 1 e4 c5 2 c3 is "the OP variation". Also, a point that is being made here is about whether or not you want to state a claim of a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

dawson_632

Jul 31, 2019

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#968

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

this is the critical move i had in my notes, wouldve still done fine. im the 3rd in the tournament and 100% winrate with the alapin. gonna win me some bucks because i discovered this thread

So you have no reply to 5...d5 that you wish to share with us? By the way, does the choice of 2 Nf3 represent an absence of a belief in a forced win for White after 2 c3 ?

looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

doesnt matter, i still have 100% win rate

It might matter to those who are concerned with conclusions about 1 e4 c5 2 c3.

ive already posted a game about this variation too? whats exactly your point?

It seems appropriate to me to clear up any potential confusion about whether or not 1 e4 c5 2 c3 is "the OP variation". Also, a point that is being made here is about whether or not you want to state a claim of a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

no i don't want to state a claim of whatever kind. i just said i have 100% win rate, are you going to repeat in circles now?

ChessBoy513

Jul 31, 2019

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#969

dawson_632님이 썼습니다:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

this is the critical move i had in my notes, wouldve still done fine. im the 3rd in the tournament and 100% winrate with the alapin. gonna win me some bucks because i discovered this thread

So you have no reply to 5...d5 that you wish to share with us? By the way, does the choice of 2 Nf3 represent an absence of a belief in a forced win for White after 2 c3 ?

looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

doesnt matter, i still have 100% win rate

It might matter to those who are concerned with conclusions about 1 e4 c5 2 c3.

ive already posted a game about this variation too? whats exactly your point?

It seems appropriate to me to clear up any potential confusion about whether or not 1 e4 c5 2 c3 is "the OP variation". Also, a point that is being made here is about whether or not you want to state a claim of a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

no i don't want to state a claim of whatever kind. i just said i have 100% win rate, are you going to repeat in circles now?

Guys I have something to tell. Alapin is NOT a bust against the Sicilian. You guys can't be serious since if it was 1)everyone would have found it, and 2)365chess.com says Alapin has rate of 34.8% win for white, 32.9% draw and 32.2% win for black. That's NOT a 74% success rate for white. Also Stockfish says on depth 35 it's only +0.12 compared to Open Sicilian with +0.21. Besides, I have a VERY high success rate with the Sicilian.

kindaspongey

Jul 31, 2019

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#970

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote: ...

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

… looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

doesnt matter, i still have 100% win rate

It might matter to those who are concerned with conclusions about 1 e4 c5 2 c3.

ive already posted a game about this variation too? whats exactly your point?

It seems appropriate to me to clear up any potential confusion about whether or not 1 e4 c5 2 c3 is "the OP variation". Also, a point that is being made here is about whether or not you want to state a claim of a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

no i don't want to state a claim of whatever kind. i just said i have 100% win rate, are you going to repeat in circles now?

If you ask about my point, it seems reasonable to me to state it in my reply. If you continue to post, in this thread, about your Sicilian successes, it will seem reasonable to me to explore whether or not you have decided that you are willing to state a claim about a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

dawson_632

Jul 31, 2019

0

#971

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

this is the critical move i had in my notes, wouldve still done fine. im the 3rd in the tournament and 100% winrate with the alapin. gonna win me some bucks because i discovered this thread

So you have no reply to 5...d5 that you wish to share with us? By the way, does the choice of 2 Nf3 represent an absence of a belief in a forced win for White after 2 c3 ?

looking at a database isnt hard. my opponents dont have access to database or books in the middle of an otb game

If your confidence derives, in part, from your opponent's limited resources, doesn't that suggest an absence of a belief that you have a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5 ?

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. you are just arguing for the sake of arguing

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

im using the OP variation ...

Did your previously posted game start with 1 e4 c5 2 c3 ?

doesnt matter, i still have 100% win rate

It might matter to those who are concerned with conclusions about 1 e4 c5 2 c3.

ive already posted a game about this variation too? whats exactly your point?

It seems appropriate to me to clear up any potential confusion about whether or not 1 e4 c5 2 c3 is "the OP variation". Also, a point that is being made here is about whether or not you want to state a claim of a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

no i don't want to state a claim of whatever kind. i just said i have 100% win rate, are you going to repeat in circles now?

If you ask about my point, it seems reasonable to me to state it in my reply. If you continue to post, in this thread, about your Sicilian successes, it will seem reasonable to me to explore whether or not you have decided that you are willing to state a claim about a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

ive only played the alapin twice (apparently the third isn't), so no, its not reasonable to expect an answer that an expert in the opening would only know

kindaspongey

Jul 31, 2019

0

#972

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

... i never said its a forced win, i said i have 100% win rate percentage since i started playing it in the tournament. ...

This thread was started to discuss the idea of a "bust to the Sicilian Defense".

("In my opinion the Sicilian Defense is busted. It loses by force." - staples13 (August 27, 2018))

Under the circumstances, isn't it only natural to try to determine whether or not you are trying to suggest the existence of a forced win for Black after 1 e4 c5 ?

…

…

... i still have 100% win rate

…

... whats exactly your point?

... a point that is being made here is about whether or not you want to state a claim of a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

no i don't want to state a claim of whatever kind. i just said i have 100% win rate, are you going to repeat in circles now?

If you ask about my point, it seems reasonable to me to state it in my reply. If you continue to post, in this thread, about your Sicilian successes, it will seem reasonable to me to explore whether or not you have decided that you are willing to state a claim about a forced win for White after 1 e4 c5.

ive only played the alapin twice (apparently the third isn't), so no, its not reasonable to expect an answer that an expert in the opening would only know

It seems to me that it would be easy enough to state that you do not claim a forced win for white after 1 e4 c5. I would think that it would be easy, when giving a percentage, to specify the number of games involved. In view of the starting subject of this thread, it seems to me that it could be reasonable here to react to future Sicilian-success posts by exploring what is discussed and what is not discussed.

ChessBoy513

Jul 31, 2019

0

#973

SpiderUnicorn님이 썼습니다:

If the Alapin ain't a forced win, then it ain't a bust to the Sicilian.

A bright player has entered the scenes!

ChessBoy513

Jul 31, 2019

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#974

Yeah

HolographWars

Jul 31, 2019

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#975

kindaspongey wrote:

HolographWars wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

I wish to bring up 6.e5

And after 6...Nd7 ?

7. e6, a nice pawn sack to wreck Blavk’s development. It also weakens his kingside quite a bit.

HolographWars

Jul 31, 2019

0

#976

SpiderUnicorn wrote:

Sure, the Alapin can win you some games, but if Black knows what he is doing, then he will have just as many chances as White. In high level play the Alapin is mostly used to avoid heavy Sicilian theory.

But many times, they don’t. It’s hard to defend against as a non master. I am not arguing for a bust, just something that gives more practical chances than an Open.

ChessBoy513

Jul 31, 2019

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#977

HolographWars님이 썼습니다:

SpiderUnicorn wrote:

Sure, the Alapin can win you some games, but if Black knows what he is doing, then he will have just as many chances as White. In high level play the Alapin is mostly used to avoid heavy Sicilian theory.

But many times, they don’t. It’s hard to defend against as a non master. I am not arguing for a bust, just something that gives more practical chances than an Open.

Correct!

kindaspongey

Jul 31, 2019

0

#978

HolographWars wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

HolographWars wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

I wish to bring up 6.e5

And after 6...Nd7 ?

7. e6, a nice pawn sack to wreck Blavk’s development. It also weakens his kingside quite a bit.

And after 7...fxe6 ?

HolographWars

Jul 31, 2019

0

#979

It does not lose by force, but often times in otb club games White ends up with a big advantage.

ChessBoy513

Jul 31, 2019

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#980

kindaspongey님이 썼습니다:

HolographWars wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

HolographWars wrote:

kindaspongey wrote:

dawson_632 wrote:

… 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 d6 3 c3 Nf6 4 h3 Nc6 5 Bd3 g6 … another sicilian player falls victim,

What about 5...d5 ?

I wish to bring up 6.e5

And after 6...Nd7 ?

7. e6, a nice pawn sack to wreck Blavk’s development. It also weakens his kingside quite a bit.

And after 7...fxe6 ?

Refutation for black: 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3. c3 Nf6 4.h3 Nxe4!=