Blackmar-Diemer Mayhem

Please enjoy the following game, a real "Smash 'n' grab" effort. I would appreciate any analysis, howsoever obtained, as I only have a crappy free database and no engine.

The game was played on Chess.com at 1 day per move, but both parties played quickly.  White rated 1943, Black rated 1815.

In order to perform assuredly 10. Qh4, I would seriously need to inflate my balls... O.o

Congrats on a beautiful beautiful play by white.

The guy who plays the BDG usually has balls so big he needs a wheelbarrow to carry them.

I'd been waiting  a while for someone to allow this particular variation, wondering if I'd ever get the chance.

Nasty attack, and in many ways one that looks like it plays itself out easily minus the piece sac which may have been a little tough to find.  Still, the guy playing the french must have wondered what the hell was going on after f3.  I tried out that gambit recently from a caro position and white's development gets very quick.  Pretty sweet to see that it works in the french too.  Just looking over the game, it really looks like black's problems start at Qe1 when white shifts everything to the kingside.  Even the alternate line at move 17 looks like an easily won ending for white.  Where does black go wrong?  There shouldn't be a problem with taking the f pawn.  The rest of black's development looks good although the queen side is sitting at home, maybe that's the true error.  Still, when could the guy (or gal)have gotten those pieces going?  I'm scratching my head. 

1. I'm not sure that Black can take the piece on g5 immediately it is offered, he may have to squirm a while first.

2. Found an improvement: 17 ....Qe8 18 Ng5 and this time it's even worse with the e-file open and the Black Queen loose at the back.

 Stick some move numbers on your ideas and I'll take a look... best we both have the same position in mind.

Same tournament (not a thematic one!), same attack (this time transposed from the Caro-Kann), same result, different opponent:

I don't think I would take that Bishop on g5, rather attempt some manoeuvre to embarrass White by unseating the troublesome piece (see post #6 {still thinking about that cacoon}).

p.s. My opponent has since contacted me and explained that he simply has too many games running concurrently to avoid the odd blunder. He also said that he thought he might survive after 13 .... Nxf6, so I've sent him a link to this post and maybe he'll join the debate.

The attack is almost the same.  Even more interesting, this style of attack (sliding the queen to e1, exchange sac on f6 etc.) reminds me of the grand prix attack in the sicilian.  Crazy how it plays out each time.  Well done. 

Blackmar-Diemer miniatures are like London Buses....wait for ages then three come along in quick succession!

I'm going to continue playing this line until someone refutes it in actual play.

I'll post that game too.

A bit of history here...

Not the best game by black, but there's nothing quite like seeing the master, well, smash and grab as it were

Poor old Labry was completly out of his depth against Blackmar. Here's a game from Diemer:

At least black handled the opening a little better in that game.  But, nonetheless, chalk one up for white...again

How about 5 Qxf3 ???! (dont try this against a sober opponent!)

 ouch

 I really am enjoying this thread. Is there a more aggressive gambit than the Blackmar Diemer Gambit? Wow! To follow up on 5. Qxf3, here is the opening.

Blackmar Diemer Gambit/Vienna Variation/Ryder Variation

@ padman

great post, just goes to show that although the idea was good, the execution was full of holes, I missed a lot LOL. In my defence (and my opponent's) we did play the game quickly and casually (a couple of minutes each a move). I simply can't be bothered to spend long hours looking at a move if my opponent is going to move immediately he gets it.... seems fair to just join in and play chess. If you have the time and inclination, perhaps you wouldn't mind giving post #8 the treatment? Regards and thank you.

@ Musikamole

please remember that I have not employed the usual move order. I'm a 1 e4 player who likes to play the King's gambit, so I only get to these BDG-like openings by transposition from French/Scandinavian/Caro-Kann. In the usual move order:  1. d4 d5  2. e4 .... Black would have to make a choice now, accept the gambit or decline the gambit, possibly thus:

2 .... c6 Carro-Kann

2 .... e6 French Defence

As you see the whole question is beautifully circular.

p.s. I've never had anyone decline the gambit, or even seen it declined. After all, the BDG is unsound and a free pawn to boot, who could resist?

p.p.s. another way of declining the gambit:

 Ah...thank you very much. I'm still quite the beginner and having a blast learning the game. This most recent post of yours will be most helpful in my exploration of transpositions. Again, thanks!

Another outing for my pet monster, this time on LiveChess. Another miniature but I feel it wasn't so well played by me this time (went looking for a cheapo and it cost me a move). All comments welcomed

I have used this several times in blitz play but would nver do it in an OTB tournament