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mirroredragon
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:
mirroredragon wrote:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:
mirroredragon wrote:

totally objective list that took about 5 minutes

the stone wall gives black too easy of a game

no theory required, perfect blitz opening

A lot of garbage is playable in blitz, as there isn't enough time to calculate precisely or blunder check in every case.

Stonewall isn't very good.

at high level*

in longer time controls i could still pretty soundly beat a player my rating with the stonewall, the advantage they get from the opening is probably not enough for them to convert to a win

SamuelAjedrez95

Now this is going into subjective experience "well I beat a lot of players with it" the same can be said about Smith-Morra Gambit which you put in tricks only but is actually better than the Stonewall tbh.

SamuelAjedrez95

According to your objective list, the Stonewall is better than the Italian, English, French, Caro-Kann and King's Indian.

mirroredragon
SamuelAjedrez95 wrote:

According to your objective list, the Stonewall is better than the Italian, English, French, Caro-Kann and King's Indian.

because its more fun?

also i made the list in 5 minutes, dont expect it to be accurate

Sea_TurtIe

just because its more fun does not mean its better

the stonewall gives black equality/good edge and is easy for black to win

Sea_TurtIe

samuel, what do you think about this tierlist? realistic? true?

MaetsNori

I'm not a fan of the Stonewall when players rely on it as their entire repertoire. But as an occasional opening, I'd say it's completely fine.

Here's Magnus Carlsen on the Stonewall.

Audience member: "How do you get an 11 year old who's a 1500 rated player to give up using the Stonewall as his favorite opening?"

Carlsen: "I don't know what you're talking about. The Stonewall is an excellent opening. I play it myself ..."

That audience member's son, afterward: "Hah! In your FACE, Dad!" tongue.png

chessisNOTez884
IronSteam1 wrote:
Ilampozhil25 wrote:

my points about the french variations still hold

we really need thriller fan here to decide

ThrillerFan would say something like:

"1...e5, Sicilian, French, and Caro-Kann go at the top. All the rest can be ignored."

Hey bro let's be friends

Mugiwara

my tierlist

I think it's pretty accurate, maybe I put the Ponziani too high

exceptionalfork

Here's mine. I think it's pretty accurate, but I'm sure there are some people who will disagree with a lot of it.

I didn't rank the Sicilian Defense itself; just the different types of Sicilians.

Sea_TurtIe

the grünfeld as WAYYYY better than the italian

you are over-ranking the italian the petrov way too much

Sea_TurtIe

thats why mines the best

Sea_TurtIe

exceptionalfork
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

I ranked the Petroff way too much, huh? You barely ranked it any lower.

exceptionalfork
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

the grünfeld as WAYYYY better than the italian

you are over-ranking the italian the petrov way too much

Yep. I'm sure you know what you're talking about.

Like, why? Do you have any reason? I would love to know.

Mugiwara

I’m starting to question the quality of the original tierlist. The creator included Fools’ Mate but forgot the Nimzo-Indian, Bogo-Indian, Queen’s Indian, Evans Gambit, Vienna Opening etc. The Benoni was included, where’s the Benko? Stonewall and London were included, what about the Colle and Torre Attack? They included a gambit as unsound as the Jerome and left out the Halloween Gambit? And if we’re using opening variations like Tarrasch French, where’s the Paulsen French?

Sack_o_Potatoes
Mugiwara wrote:

I’m starting to question the quality of the original tierlist. The creator included Fools’ Mate but forgot the Nimzo-Indian, Bogo-Indian, Queen’s Indian, Evans Gambit, Vienna Opening etc. The Benoni was included, where’s the Benko? Stonewall and London were included, what about the Colle and Torre Attack? They included a gambit as unsound as the Jerome and left out the Halloween Gambit? And if we’re using opening variations like Tarrasch French, where’s the Paulsen French?

oh yea didnt notice lmao

SamuelAjedrez95
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

samuel, what do you think about this tierlist? realistic? true?

It makes sense. I would probably move the Scandi down a notch though.

SamuelAjedrez95
Mugiwara wrote:

I’m starting to question the quality of the original tierlist. The creator included Fools’ Mate but forgot the Nimzo-Indian, Bogo-Indian, Queen’s Indian, Evans Gambit, Vienna Opening etc. The Benoni was included, where’s the Benko? Stonewall and London were included, what about the Colle and Torre Attack? They included a gambit as unsound as the Jerome and left out the Halloween Gambit? And if we’re using opening variations like Tarrasch French, where’s the Paulsen French?

It's not the OP's fault. Those are the only options provided by the tierlist site.

Ilampozhil25

pretty sure that this tierlist site allows people to create their own tierlists and publish them

it was created by hikaru and levy and then they made like 3 or something videos making different lists for different purposes