Defences to the Parham Attack

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The_Gavinator wrote:

Right, so KCO's comment is pointless, while mine makes completely logical sense.

No, computers run on logic, so they don't know what to make of something so dumb.

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Sungolian wrote:
shepi13 wrote:

4 games in 2 DB's + 13 games in one > 17

 

You can't do math.

u didn't check for duplicates.


No, I didn't feel like wasting any more time on this than I already have.

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I did do some research into Gavi's DB and found some interesting results:

 

2 of the wins were experts/masters beating players 500 points below them.

 

8. Nbc3 1-0, Humeau (2162) vs. Marliere (1420)
 
8. Bg5

1-0, Dauth (2321) vs. Draeger (1874)

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1 of the draws was Nakamura drawing a player 200+ points below him.

7... a6 ½-½, Nakamura (2657) vs. Filippov (2466)
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Another Nakamura draw and 100+ rating point advantage white win:

 

6... Be6 1-0, Rouleau (2269) vs. Minear (2131)
 
6... Bg7 ½-½, Nakamura (2657) vs. Mitkov (2530)
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shepi13 wrote:
Sungolian wrote:
shepi13 wrote:

4 games in 2 DB's + 13 games in one > 17

 

You can't do math.

u didn't check for duplicates.


No, I didn't feel like wasting any more time on this than I already have.

Is that why you are looking into my database. Nice job using double standards bro.

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Close examination shows that Gavinator needs to get his facts straight. Yes, in a few games black is higher rated, but by much less points then say 700 or 500 such as the white rating advantage.

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I'm almost 1000 points below! Cry

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Sungolian wrote:
shepi13 wrote:

1 of the draws was Nakamura drawing a player 200+ points below him.

7... a6 ½-½, Nakamura (2657) vs. Filippov (2466)

To be fair, most people are rated 200+ points below Nakamura...

 

And Nakamura shouldn't draw them with white if he is playing a good opening.

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Lol shepi, for someone who doesn't want to spend time on this, you seem to like going through my database a lot. Why don't you go through yours too and see then?

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Granted, overall the rating difference isn't that much I guess, white averages about 2240 while black averages almost exactly 2200. However, one or two 500 point differences swing the DB more than ten 50 point differences.

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ChristianSoldier007 wrote:

black won both games not looks like whites pressure if he had any to begin with died down and blacks development is enough to put him ahead by about a pawn

How did all of the games go? Could you show us the games?

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I have the ultimate way of stopping the Parham attack: simply answer 1. e4 with 1. ...e6

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binblaster wrote:

I have the ultimate way of stopping the Parham attack: simply answer 1. e4 with 1. ...e6

Its akin to 1.e4 e5  2.Qh5 Nf6......it just totally screws up their plans....they might as well leave the queen on the last rank, after you play the sicilian or put it back after my choice of move....I usually play the Rat though...but Nf6 is still doable. It is usually my third move instead of my second, but I could switch the order. I am pretty sure someone already tried this against me already and it back fired on them.

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After 1. e4 e6 2. Qe2 I am under no obligation to play 2. ...e5 . I would much rather play 2. ...c5 

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Sungolian wrote:
binblaster wrote:

After 1. e4 e6 2. Qe2 I am under no obligation to play 2. ...e5 . I would much rather play 2. ...c5 

Then white gets a great game via Nf3, g3, Bg2, and so on. So you might as well force white to enter the delayed Parham.

Actually, White enters a theoretical line of the Sicilian that is fine for Black.

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2...c5 720
42.6% 24.9% 32.5%

 

Seems like typical opening results. I'll admit that it scores better for white than the parham does.

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Even in Gavinator's DB the ruy scores better than the parham, and his has to be the worst DB.

 

Ruy - scores 55.7%

Parham - scores 52.95%

 

And that is the only database where white scores more than 50% with the parham.

 

Note - % is not win %. Instead it is the % score.

% = Win % + (1/2 x Draw %)

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That's through move 5, so Gavinator can't say it includes people who don't know any lines.

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Chess tempo

 

Parham score = 37.5%

Ruy score = 56.6%