HELP. I need defense to 1.d4

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Lou-for-you

I helped youngsters build up repertoire and found the accelerated fianchetto of QGA a very good choice. It was recommended by euwe.

Irinasdaddy
TheGambitKing wrote:
Irinasdaddy wrote:

Remember when App. State beat Michigan in Michigan on opening day?  Yea, that doesn't mean that App. State is on the same level as Michigan is football-wise.  It means a fluke happened and an inferior squad got incredibly lucky.  That's what your example is.   

Ha ha, I don't follow American football much, but some of my friends do, and all I can say is, I'd much rather be an Appalachian State supporter than a Michigan State Supporter. Do you guys not even play chess for enjoyment? This really sounds a bit like some frustrated Michigan fan, even though I doubt you are...

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WOW. That is some beautiful stuff, Jovanu. If I ever must play this 'solidly' at the highest levels (without some crazy attacking ideas involving ...P-KB3/P-QB3 and sacrificing an actual pawn), then your line is certainly the way to go. All hail Lev Zilbermints!

No no, no Michigan fan here.  I can't even stand college football; the whole system is corrupt.  I was only making a comparison between two hopeless things that got once-in-a-lifetime lucky.  

I play chess for enjoyment, fun, relaxation, and mental exercise.  I find that I have more fun playing chess when I win, however, so I prefer to dedicate my time and energy towards practices and theories that result in me having the best chance possible to defeat my opponent.   

najdorf96

In all of this "discussion", one thing has been lost; in translation, misunderstanding, player's ego or by an unspoken animosity towards one another.

The bottomline is: no matter the opening(s) suggested~it all depends on one's technical skill, tactical awareness, and experience to be able to utilize such advice.

AdorableMogwai
plutonia wrote:

ok so let's see some tipical positions arising from various black's defences:


so, which one is the odd one out?

Budapest is boring as hell. I bet you play the Colle as white.

I've played about 100 Budapest gambit games and I've never got in that position. It does not seem typical to me, in fact, I think there are several things about that diagram that are atypical, such as the bishop on d6. Did that even come from a real game, if so, which?

I understand that you don't like people playing the Budapest against you and messing up your preferred d4 openings, but mindlessly bashing the Budapest isn't going to solve your problem. The Budapest Gambit is a respected opening with a rich history, and played by some of the top GMs in the world like Mamedyarov and Alexei Shirov. By bashing the Budapest you're only making yourself look bad. You just seem like someone who's angry at the opening because you don't like people playing it against you.

pfren
FirebrandX wrote:

What's your hangup about Silman?

Silman has claimed (pretty unoficially) that gambit lovers are creatures which just hate anyone who is rude enough to burst their bubble.

rooperi
AdorableMogwai wrote:
plutonia wrote:

ok so let's see some tipical positions arising from various black's defences:


so, which one is the odd one out?

Budapest is boring as hell. I bet you play the Colle as white.

I've played about 100 Budapest gambit games and I've never got in that position. It does not seem typical to me, in fact, I think there are several things about that diagram that are atypical, such as the bishop on d6...

I have 366 Budapest games here, And that position certainly is not something I've ever seen.

waffllemaster

Gambitking has discovered that IMs and other titled players secretly have all gambit repertoires and don't want lesser players to know the secret to their success.

Of course he only discovered this after coming close to IM level himself.  His chess.com account is just to keep his identity and strength a secret.

pfren

Actually, IM's love to sacrifice material- for a reason, though.

Here is a game I have played some fourty years ago, when I was still 16 y.o.

The only thing I knew about chess was just- attack!

But even then, with extremely limited chess knowledge, I was not fool enough to employ stupid gambits. Attacking chances always come out of sound strategical play, and not out of the blue. Even a chess newbie, like myself by that time, knew that.

The comments in the game are not mine, and they are mostly wrong. But... they do touch one thing, or two, of my actual thoughts during the game. This particular game is rather poorly conducted, both sides involved. Yet, it's interesting, aggressive chess, quite typical of my playing mood by then.

Gambiteers are mostly people who are tactically, and positionally blind, and play wreckless openings hoping to catch the opponent in some home cooked cheapo. When the recipe fails, they are completely clueless.

Synaphai
liud001 wrote:

I need a new defense to 1.d4 I usually play 1...e6 to try and get into a French Defense but it never works. :'( If someone could give me a quick-and-easy-to-learn opening it would be much appreciated. (Although not 1...d5 please)

If your only concern is "quick-and-easy-to-learn", the Queen's Gambit Declined, Old Benoni and possibly the Bogo-Indian are the best choices. The KID and Grünfeld are super-theoretical.

toiyabe

@plutonia, none of those "typical" positions are typical at all....

TheGreatOogieBoogie

The only sound gambits are as follows:

1.The Queen's Gambit (though it doesn't really count)

2.Tal Gambit (against Grand Prix Sicilian)

3.Falkbeer Countergambit

4.From Gambit

5.Manhattan Gambit (against the Dutch)

6.Reversed Manhattan (I have concluded that it's sound with my computer, though it's hard getting into it considering how rare the Bird is)

7.Benko Gambit

8.Staunton Gambit

That's all I can think off the top of my head.

Gambits to avoid:

1.King's Gambit

2.Wing Gambit (1.e4,c5 2.b4,cxb4 3.a3,d5! and suddenly white feels awkward)

3.Englund

4.Latvian

5.Danish and Goring Gambits

The reversed Manhattan is pretty cool, check it out.  I've also included the Bird wing and a countergambit to it ^_^



dodgecharger1968

I didn't read the whole thread, but you can go a lot of ways from 1d4 e6 2c4...  2...f5 is a Dutch, pretty easy to learn with good attacking chances for both sides.  2...Nf6 enters the Indian complex:  Nimzo, Bogo, Queen's...takes some study but at least as solid against d4 as the French is against e4.  2...b6 is the English Defense--a little wild, but if I were willing to risk transposing into a French, I'd play this constantly.  Just for starters.

Somebodysson

@FirebrandX  how does the Dutch do in correspondence play?

Mainline_Novelty
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

The only sound gambits are as follows:

1.The Queen's Gambit (though it doesn't really count)

2.Tal Gambit (against Grand Prix Sicilian)

3.Falkbeer Countergambit

4.From Gambit

5.Manhattan Gambit (against the Dutch)

6.Reversed Manhattan (I have concluded that it's sound with my computer, though it's hard getting into it considering how rare the Bird is)

7.Benko Gambit

8.Staunton Gambit

That's all I can think off the top of my head.

Gambits to avoid:

1.King's Gambit

2.Wing Gambit (1.e4,c5 2.b4,cxb4 3.a3,d5! and suddenly white feels awkward)

3.Englund

4.Latvian

5.Danish and Goring Gambits

The reversed Manhattan is pretty cool, check it out.  I've also included the Bird wing and a countergambit to it ^_^

 



Your list of sound gambits is missing for sure the Marshall {EDIT : For that matter, the other Marshall Gambit as well}, as well as the Blumenfeld, King's Gambit (which you definitely put in the wrong list), the Smith-Morra, probably the Albin, maybe the Schara, for sure the Two Knights (not a gambit in name, but Black does sack a pawn), the Korchnoi Gambit, maybe the French Wing Gambit, also the Siesta, that d4 thing in the Ruy and maybe even Hebden's 11...Re8 in the Chigorin Ruy.

hkuang

I think you should really consider 1...d4.  The QGD is very solid, and very dynamic positions can arise from the QGA.  My favorite is the semi-slav.  None of these are very hard to learn and offer great winning chances.

FrenchTutor
TheGambitKing wrote:
Mainline_Novelty wrote:

Your list of sound gambits is missing for sure the Marshall, as well as the Blumenfeld, King's Gambit (which you definitely put in the wrong list), the Smith-Morra, probably the Albin, maybe the Schara, for sure the Two Knights (not a gambit in name, but Black does sack a pawn), the Korchnoi Gambit, maybe the French Wing Gambit, also the Siesta, that d4 thing in the Ruy and maybe even Hebden's 11...Re8 in the Chigorin Ruy.

HIS 'list' isn't missing anything! It's his underpants that are missing two 'orbs', ha ha! Maybe if he revised his 'list', he'd 'grow a pair'!

The "long-awaited" return of the clown.  

dodgecharger1968

Okay, skimmed over the comments.  Most useful things I saw...  Franco-Indian aka Keres Defense 1d4 e6 2c4 Bb4+, not bad at all but you have to avoid Nimzo and Bogo lines you aren't familiar with (usually that means c5 before Nf6).  It's a little drawish and it doesn't help at all with say 2Nf3.  QGD, 1d4 e6 2c4 d5, very solid defense I personally wouldn't want to play often, but it shouldn't phase a French player.  KID: sort of in the spirit of the French, though you won't be playing e6 and practical tactics, themes, and strategies don't carry over.  It has that same way of patiently giving white everything he wants until he's created weaknesses you can pounce on in the middlegame--usually a little earlier for KID than the French, though.  All in all, QGD is a natural sister to the French; if your opponent tries to get around playing c4, you can probably get into a Colle setup.

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Mainline_Novelty wrote:
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

The only sound gambits are as follows:

1.The Queen's Gambit (though it doesn't really count)

2.Tal Gambit (against Grand Prix Sicilian)

3.Falkbeer Countergambit

4.From Gambit

5.Manhattan Gambit (against the Dutch)

6.Reversed Manhattan (I have concluded that it's sound with my computer, though it's hard getting into it considering how rare the Bird is)

7.Benko Gambit

8.Staunton Gambit

That's all I can think off the top of my head.

Gambits to avoid:

1.King's Gambit

2.Wing Gambit (1.e4,c5 2.b4,cxb4 3.a3,d5! and suddenly white feels awkward)

3.Englund

4.Latvian

5.Danish and Goring Gambits

The reversed Manhattan is pretty cool, check it out.  I've also included the Bird wing and a countergambit to it ^_^

 



Your list of sound gambits is missing for sure the Marshall, as well as the Blumenfeld, King's Gambit (which you definitely put in the wrong list), the Smith-Morra, probably the Albin, maybe the Schara, for sure the Two Knights (not a gambit in name, but Black does sack a pawn), the Korchnoi Gambit, maybe the French Wing Gambit, also the Siesta, that d4 thing in the Ruy and maybe even Hebden's 11...Re8 in the Chigorin Ruy.

Like I said only stuff I could think off the top of my head was included.  Is the Schara the one where black plays 1.d4,d5 2.c4,c6 3.Nc3,e5?  I'm still on the fence about that.  It can be tricky though. Evans is sound, Kasparov thought it was good enough to use.  Blumenfeld is definately sound, in the spirit of the Benko. 

Somebodysson

thank you firebrandx

mccreeasy

1. d4 nf6 2. c4 e6 3. nf3 bb4+ etc.