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ichiro_bloodmoon

When they pushed out the c5 pawn, you needed to push c4 out to stop them from expanding as well. Then you need to get your Knights developed as well as your Bishops especially your Kingside Bishop so that you can castle. App about development.

WeichhhartDaniel
tduncan hat geschrieben:

Ziggy highlights the most important point here - don't play for a single trap.  In order to recommend a good option for you, we'd need to know a bit about your play style.  Since you are asking for tactics and I see you have tried the King's Gambit in your games, I'm guessing you like sharp, aggressive lines.  One thing to note about the French is that black should be trying to develop an attack himself - that's why he plays 2...d5 to attack the e-pawn.  That being said, all of the main lines have opportunities to liven up the game.  Contrary to popular belief, you could actually get a decent shot at this with the Exchange variation: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5.  It has a reputation among French players as being drawish, but either side can liven things up with moves like a c-pawn break (leading to an IQP position) or queenside castling.  Also, 2.f4 is a valid line as well - it is a different style than the King's Gambit, but it does start setting up a kingside attack immediately.  The King's Indian Attack is good against the French, and 1.e4, 2.d4, 3.Nc3 invites black into the Winnawer (3...Bb4) [and if they play the Classical 3...Nf6 instead, white has a good game (the Alekhiene-Chatard is an interesting line) and a little incidental trap - if black rushes out ...c5, Nb5! can be back-breaking thanks to the treat of Nc7+ or Nd6+].  Even the rather unambitious Advance variation 3.e5 has the Milner-Barry Gambit.  Hope this helps.

Thank you

tduncan

@ichiro_bloodmoon: The line you are mentioning (2.d4, 3.e5) is called the Advance variation, and is usually viewed as one of white's less ambitious lines (though still perfectly viable) as the early commitment in the center allows black to immediately start preparing to undermine the pawn chain.  The line the OP was playing is certainly an iffy one, but the concession of space is intentional, with the goal being to demonstrate that black is pushing his pawns too far too soon.  c2-c3 is white beginning to work on dismantling black's center, whereas your c2-c4 would actually cement black's space advantage in the center.

poucin

Advance french not ambitious?

That's the first time I read this.

From an abstract point of view, 3.e5 is the most ambitious way for white to continue : u keep your e pawn, u push it, u take more space, u deprive Ng8 to use f6 square, etc...

madscientist2969
balashukla0761 wrote:

try the tarrasch 

Yes, the tarrasch.

 

tduncan

@madscientist2969: The Tarrasch is a fine line, but it is a bit slow-paced.  I get the feeling the OP would prefer something with more early tactical complications.

blueemu
tduncan wrote:

My comment RE 2.g3 was based on the assumption that it was reasonable...

2. g3 allows 2. ... d5, when White can't play 3. d3 without allowing an exchange of Queens, and can't push 3. e5 without over-extending it. In the KIA, you don't push to e5 until you are ready to support it with Re1.

After 1. e4 e6 the only accurate way to enter the KIA is 2. d3, so that you can meet 2. ... d5 with 3. Nd2 avoiding a trade of Queens.

A sample game:

 

rdmccarthy

Dude, seriously, try the KIA vs the French.

 

1. e4 e6 2. d3 - Just look up some lines on the database or YouTube. When french players see me go 2.d3 I can tell they are utterly thrown!

 

I don't play many KIA structures but it's a definite weapon and even if your opponent knows a bit about it, some study should put you well into the comfort zone.

 

I have used this OTB in several matches to great effect.

rdmccarthy

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blueemu

That's exactly the position in the game of mine just above your post.

Click on Black's move 9 (in my game) and compare.

ThrillerFan
WeichhhartDaniel wrote:
 
This is the only tactic I try against the French Defence, could you send more please. I think many players have Problems against it

 

 

The fact that you are a 1200 player and probably facing mostly 1200 opponents likely explains why everyone you face "falls for it", but you are doing yourself no favors trying to play for traps.  The moment you play anybody half way decent, you'll be in a bad position every time, and even worse, by not studying the proper way to fight the French, you'll also have no clue what you are doing against correct play, and you'll lose even faster.

 

Speaking as a French guru (it really is the opening that I most thoroughly understand and can play either side of it against a titled player with confidence), I can tell you that you would never get that trap against me (I'd play 3...Nf6, though 3...d4 is ok and it's what Black does later in your line that is total garbage), and you will probably get killed in 25 moves or less playing those lines you mention against any French expert!

ThrillerFan
rdmccarthy wrote:

Dude, seriously, try the KIA vs the French.

 

1. e4 e6 2. d3 - Just look up some lines on the database or YouTube. When french players see me go 2.d3 I can tell they are utterly thrown!

 

I don't play many KIA structures but it's a definite weapon and even if your opponent knows a bit about it, some study should put you well into the comfort zone.

 

I have used this OTB in several matches to great effect.

 

Utterly Thrown?   UHM....NO!!!!

 

1.e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.g3 c5 5.Ngf3 Nc6 6.Bg2 Bg7 7.O-O O-O 8.Re1 b5 9.e5 Nd7 10.Nf1 a5 11.h4 Ba6 12.N1h2 b4 13.Ng4

 

And now Black has 13...Nd4, accepting doubled d-pawns but having a clear path to the White c-pawn weakness, or else 13...a4, forcing 14.a3 from White.

IMKeto
WeichhhartDaniel wrote:
 
 
This is the only tactic I try against the French Defence, could you send more please. I think many players have Problems against it

 

If youre going to base your chess improvement on your opponents falling for cheap tricks, good luck on any steady improvement.