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I'm a little disappointed you reply to this kid who clearly knows very little about engines, databases, and your involvement in ICCF.

Although I guess it's easier to point out he knows nothing than talk about a position I slowly walked though with an engine... obviously I don't expect that analysis to be final. Like I said I gave up because I'd spent too much time already. Just looking for some feedback.

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llama escribió:

I'm a little disappointed you reply to this kid who clearly knows very little about engines, databases, and your involvement in ICCF.

Although I guess it's easier to point out he knows nothing than talk about a position I slowly walked though with an engine... obviously I don't expect that analysis to be final. Like I said I gave up because I'd spent too much time already. Just looking for some feedback.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I know more about engines than you and yes I knew he was a correspondence player.

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Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:
llama escribió:

I'm a little disappointed you reply to this kid who clearly knows very little about engines, databases, and your involvement in ICCF.

Although I guess it's easier to point out he knows nothing than talk about a position I slowly walked though with an engine... obviously I don't expect that analysis to be final. Like I said I gave up because I'd spent too much time already. Just looking for some feedback.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I know more about engines than you and yes I knew he was a correspondence player.

You're studying math at university IIRC, and you may have some programming and computer architecture type classes, and so you may know some technical things I don't (although I've had some computer engineering classes myself).

But after copy pasting an engine dump on what looks like depth 60 with the comment "that answers the question" you're no longer in a position to argue you know much about chess engines and how they're used.

I mean, I slowly walked through those positions for an hour and I still have no idea which moves are best and whether it's winning or drawing... because even after all the engine work is done (I didn't finish) you have to evaluate it from a real POV in other words some 0.8 is winning, some 0.8 is clearly a draw, etc.

And even all of that isn't taking into account practical play. Sometimes objectively losing positions give better winning chances than objectively drawn or winning ones.

At least for someone like me, who is not used to doing this kind of analysis, it would be a tremendous amount of work to "answer" this position (I've never seen an engine change its mind as many times as I did last night) which is why I was hoping Pfren might offer a few words for what I might have done right or wrong, or why those lines might be good or bad.

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Maybe we could start a topic on "how to properly use an engine"

Although I somehow doubt some players are willing to reveal all their secrets wink.png

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I couldn't even follow your last post (#99) because I've been staring at my computer for too long.

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llama escribió:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:
llama escribió:

I'm a little disappointed you reply to this kid who clearly knows very little about engines, databases, and your involvement in ICCF.

Although I guess it's easier to point out he knows nothing than talk about a position I slowly walked though with an engine... obviously I don't expect that analysis to be final. Like I said I gave up because I'd spent too much time already. Just looking for some feedback.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if I know more about engines than you and yes I knew he was a correspondence player.

You're studying math at university IIRC, and you may have some programming and computer architecture type classes, and so you may know some technical things I don't (although I've had some computer engineering classes myself).

But after copy pasting an engine dump on what looks like depth 60 with the comment "that answers the question" you're no longer in a position to argue you know much about chess engines and how they're used.

I mean, I slowly walked through those positions for an hour and I still have no idea which moves are best and whether it's winning or drawing... because even after all the engine work is done (I didn't finish) you have to evaluate it from a real POV in other words some 0.8 is winning, some 0.8 is clearly a draw, etc.

And even all of that isn't taking into account practical play. Sometimes objectively losing positions give better winning chances than objectively drawn or winning ones.

At least for someone like me, who is not used to doing this kind of analysis, it would be a tremendous amount of work to "answer" this position (I've never seen an engine change its mind as many times as I did last night) which is why I was hoping Pfren might offer a few words for what I might have done right or wrong, or why those lines might be good or bad.

I c&p the depth 60 line explicitly to showcase the engine eval not being very generous for black, I even told poucin it wasn't meant to be any usable piece of advice. I know engines incorporate the analysis they make as you go down lines and change their mind accordingly.

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llama έγραψε:

I'm a little disappointed you reply to this kid who clearly knows very little about engines, databases, and your involvement in ICCF.

Although I guess it's easier to point out he knows nothing than talk about a position I slowly walked though with an engine... obviously I don't expect that analysis to be final. Like I said I gave up because I'd spent too much time already. Just looking for some feedback.

 

I am just playing my first ICCF tournament, and I am at 4,5/5 which aint so bad.

I was playing at IECG/LSS, but I'm probably done there after winning the 3rd LSS World Championship.

I'm really pissed that no severe punishmaent was decided against an idiot who let his time running out instead of resigning in a totally lost position, and not coming back for an apology, or whatever.

This is clearly unacceptable at a WC final tournament.

Oh... and browing a position with an engine for an hour is far from adequate for proper evaluation, but I guess you already know that.

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llama wrote:

Maybe we could start a topic on "how to properly use an engine"

Although I somehow doubt some players are willing to reveal all their secrets

 

It already exists...no one is interested. Remember, its halloween everyday.