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Zumba234

Hi Chess.com friends,

I Have a doubt.What are the Plans for Black in Kings Indian Defence ? 

Answer fast and in detail. 

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DanielGuel

Just take a look at this game: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1800188

Yigor

"Answer fast and in detail" LMAO grin.png Start by reading "My system" written by Nimzo. openings.pngpeshka.png

Zumba234

Just type plans

 

cfour_explosive

just try to act like a decent human being instead of putting pressure on people that you want something from and who don't owe you anything.  some people...

kindaspongey

Maybe try: Starting Out The King's Indian

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627055734/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen38.pdf

kindaspongey

or: Winning Chess Openings

https://web.archive.org/web/20140627132508/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen173.pdf

Zumba234

please just type i want in detail 

Harsh1739

Place your pieces on active squares on the king side and start a pawn storm to breakthrough White's king side. Prevent white from getting a break through the queen side. Sacrifice some stuff and check mate your opponent.

cfour_explosive

what a rude OP. I will type f... all for you.

Zumba234

Thanks Harsh1739

BronsteinPawn

Hi chess.com friend

Every chess.com post you read on this thread decreases your rating by 5. 

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saurabh-0098

king 8ndian defence line

Secktalent
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ThrillerFan

ROFLMAO!

 

Ain't that the truth!

 

It amazes me how many clowns out there see one or two games in the Classical King's Indian where Black storms the pawns and they get this stupid idea that the pawn storm works in all lines of the King's Indian!

 

I dare Black to try to pawn storm the Kingside against the Fianchetto, Four Pawns, Saemisch, or Gligoric Variation!  Your King would have a better chance of surviving a Category 5 Hurricane or Grade 5 Tornado than to survive on the chess board.

 

So like pfren said, there is no one plan in the King's Indian Defense!

 

 

Oh, and you want written out plans in the King's Indian Defense?  It's called go to USCFSales or EverymanChess or NewInChess or Amazon and invest in a beginner's book on the King's Indian Defense and follow that up with about 2 dozen other books on the King's Indian!

Secktalent
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punchy_mcbam
Holy mackerel, there certainly are a lot of really sensitive people on chess.com. A fellow chess player was asking for something the way he wanted it. You either can answer, or not. What is with the attitudes? Sometimes these forums remind me more of Twitter than a group of people coming together with a similar passion for chess. Aren’t we better than this?
ThrillerFan
BobbyTalparov wrote:
mickynj wrote:

Lets look at the Ruy, for example. You you have your Berlin, defense you have your Marshal, you have your Open Variation, your Archangel. White can play the exchange variation, Black can play the closed variation and once he has chosen that path, he has the Chigorin, the Breyer, the Zaitsev. It's Incredibly rich and their are a great variety of plans and themes

I

The Open and Closed have different sets of plans, but many of the plans and themes are shared between different open variations (as well as those for closed variations).  The pawn structures for the Ruy Lopez are far fewer than those for the KID.

 

What you just said is also false, implying the Ruy Lopez has 2 pawn structures, one for the open and one for the closed.

 

You have a ton of pawn structures in the Ruy Lopez:

 

  • The Open Ruy pawn structure
  • The Closed Ruy pawn structure
  • The Marshall pawn structure
  • The Anti-Marshall pawn structure (a4 lines are a unique pawn structure, a3 and h3 fit other categories)
  • The pawn structures where White plays 5.d3
  • The Exchange pawn structure
  • The Berlin Endgame structure (not the same as the Exchange - see Black's a-pawn, for instance)
  • Schleman structures
  • Steinitz structures (3...d6, deferred Steinitz lines with 3...a6 and 4...d6, including the Siesta Gambit)

 

If you want an opening with limited pawn structures, there are better answers than the Ruy Lopez and King's Indian.

 

For example, the French, which is pretty much limited to the following structures:

 

  • Advance structure
  • Exchange structure
  • Backwards e-pawn vs IQP (typical of the Closed Tarrasch)
  • IQP for Black (typical of the Open Tarrasch)
  • d4 vs e6 structures (typical of the Burn, Rubinstein, Open Tarrasch with 4...Qxd5
  • Classical Center (e5 vs e6-d5, White captured dxc5)
  • MacCutcheon/Winawer center (Similar to Advanced Center but with doubled White c-pawns)
  • KIA Center (2.d3)

That about covers 99.7 of French games.

kindaspongey

I would think that the complexity of KID and Lopez depends on the level of opposition one is likely to face. If I remember correctly, there were five Kotronias volumes on the KID. I do not know how many Lopez volumes Khalifman wrote. Perhaps the main point is that, for either opening, it is not realistic to expect someone to answer fast and in detail about plans.