Refutation of Semi-Slav Marshall Gambit?

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Does it exist? If so, what is it? I have heard many claim that the position is equal or slightly better for black with best play from both sides, but I want to know what that is.

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in case someone answer.

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I don't think the above line is what I'm asking for. I want to know if there is a refutation to the gambit, not a refusal of it.

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I don't want to play 3...Nf6- I'm trying to play the Triangle move order to reach a Semi-Slav- that way I don't have to seriously worry about the exchange Q.G.D. I was just wondering if there's a recommendation for black against the Marshall Gambit in case I ever want to try this in a serious game and come across this gambit.

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There is no refutation to the marshall gambit in the semi-slav and if you use the triangle move order to reach semi-slav positions you cant really avoid it so you simply have no choice but to be prepared to meet it head on . 

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Okay, so are the Na6 lines the best way to play against it?

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Looking at my database looks like 8... Na6 is most popular , by far but 8... Ne7 seems to do best but based on a lot fewer games . 

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Reb-your response is typically that oh no you are wasting your time with this opening minutia you jack of all trades master of none you are beneath me. Oh, maybe that was special for certain people.

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Chicken_Monster wrote:

Reb-your response is typically that oh no you are wasting your time with this opening minutia you jack of all trades master of none you are beneath me. Oh, maybe that was special for certain people.

If you want to improve at chess try actually working on your chess and less time wasted online .  

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Reb wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:

Reb-your response is typically that oh no you are wasting your time with this opening minutia you jack of all trades master of none you are beneath me. Oh, maybe that was special for certain people.

If you want to improve at chess try actually working on your chess and less time wasted online .  

lol you aren't even GM

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So ?   I have achieved most of my chess goals and being a GM was never one of them .  Whats your point ? 

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Guys, this doesn't belong in my thread. Either give me what you think is the best line against the Marshall Gambit or get out of here.

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dpnorman wrote:

Guys, this doesn't belong in my thread. Either give me what you think is the best line against the Marshall Gambit or get out of here.

I did in post 10 .  You can block anyone you don't want commenting in your threads . 

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As in any gambit, the pawn is the refutation.

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Chicken_Monster wrote:
Reb wrote:
Chicken_Monster wrote:

Reb-your response is typically that oh no you are wasting your time with this opening minutia you jack of all trades master of none you are beneath me. Oh, maybe that was special for certain people.

If you want to improve at chess try actually working on your chess and less time wasted online .  

lol you aren't even GM

Its funny how arguments build up

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Maybe 8. ...Ne7 is what you're looking for, in this game Black got a comfortable position:

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The_Mercenary knows how fights go:

Its funny how arguments build up

It's funny how arguments end suddenly.

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pavlovsdawg wrote:

Maybe 8. ...Ne7 is what you're looking for, in this game Black got a comfortable position:

 

I don't think so, because if white plays 9. Qd2, then black is not looking too good, as he now cannot play 9...Nd5 (when 10. cxd5 and the bishop on b4 is now protected by the queen), so if black plays 9...Ng6 he cannot castle right away. White has some nice ideas, too for move 10. with getting the rook to d1 and doubling up in the d-file looking promising, along with 10. h4 or 10. Nh3. I'd rather play any of those positions as white.

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Here is a refutation of the marshall gambit as requested. I know this is an old post but it needs an answer