sharpest reply against d4

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toiyabe
ghostofmaroczy wrote:
XPLAYERJX wrote:

The King uses the Baynoent as toothpicks. he even travels to London Systems to pet his Cat-a-lawn while soaking up the sunlight on his lawn and after he has finished destorying these lines he gets hungry and gets himself a 2 liter coke Big bag of chips, and has himself a Saemich for he isnt the silly Nimzo he isnt the Queen he is the King. You may not like him but you shall respect him for he is the King all Hail the King all Hail the king and if you really truely want to know how to bust the KID ill tell you the secret the secret to busting the KID is to play 1. e4 

 

Mwwwhahahahaha

I've been dying to ask a King's Indian maven:

What 1 e4 defense goes with it?

Najdorf or Dragon, I prefer Najdorf. 

Rogue_King
rdecredico wrote:

Sam Shankland knows how to get it done.  Good road map here.

Shankland-Nyzhnyk
Biel 2011

1.  d4 Nf6 2.  c4 g6 3.  Nc3 Bg7 4.  e4 d6 5.  Nf3 O-O 6.  Be2 e5 7.  O-O Nc6 8.  d5 Ne7 9.  Ne1 Nd7 10.  Nd3 f5 11.  f3 f4 12.  Bd2 g5 13.  Rc1 Ng6 14.  c5 Nf6 15.  Nb5 Rf7 16.  Ba5 b6 17.  cxd6 cxd6 18.  Bb4 Bf8 19.  Rc6 Ne8 20.  a4 h5 21.  Nf2 Nh4 22.  h3 Qf6 23.  Qb3 Bd7 24.  Rfc1 g4 25.  hxg4 hxg4 26.  Nxg4 Qg5 27.  Nc7 Bxg4 28.  fxg4 f3 29.  gxf3 Qf4 30.  Be1 Nxc7 31.  Rxc7 Rh7 32.  R1c2 Be7 33.  Rxe7 Rxe7 34.  Bxh4 Rh7 35.  Bf2 Rf8 36.  Qe3 Qh2 37.  Kf1 Qh1 38.  Bg1 Rh2 39.  Ke1 Rg2 40.  Kd2 Qxg1 41.  Qg5 Kh8 42.  Rc7 Qd4 43.  Kc1 Rg1 44.  Kc2 Qxa4 45.  Kc3 Qd4 46.  Kb3 Rxf3 47.  Bxf3 Qd3 48.  Rc3 Qb5 49.  Kc2 Qa4 50.  b3 Qa2 51.  Kd3 Qb1 52.  Rc2 Qxb3 53.  Kd2 Qb4 54.  Ke2 Qe1 55.  Kd3 Qb1 56.  Qh6 Kg8 57.  Qg6 Kh8 58.  Qxd6 Qf1 59.  Be2 Rg3 60.  Kc4 Qa1 61.  Kb5 Qb1 62.  Ka6 Qxc2 63.  Qxe5 Kg8 64.  Qxg3 Qxe2 65.  Kxa7 Qxe4 66.  Qb8 Kf7 67.  Qc7 Kg6 68.  d6 Qa4 69.  Kb7 1-0

According to stockfish 5 at 30 depth after 24... a6 the position is 0.00. So much for your refutation Tongue Out. Although I shouldnt be a hypocrite, I play this myself as white. Still black isn't busted if they are well enough prepared!

Dark_Falcon

The sharpest reply to 1.d4 is the Englund-Gambit with 1...e5 (especially the Soller/Felbecker-Gambit after 2.dxe5 f6 and the Blackburne-Hartlaub-Gambit with 2.dxe5 d6,i dont like the passive main lines with Qe7).

A more "solid" reply is the Albins Counter-Gambit which was mentioned in other posts here.

A third option is the Baltic Defence 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Bf5 which can be extremely sharp after 3.Qb3 e5! or 3.Nc3 e6 4.Qb3 Nc6!, but can also be very lame and positional after 3.Nc3 e6 4. Nf3 c6.

All these three openings are my repertoire versus 1.d4...

ifoody2

dutch or KID both give black an attack in the kingside. KID is probably more complicated and more about tempos, you need to learn much more theory.

wiselady

are you KID ?

bangalore2

I play the KID, and in redcredio's variation, 14...Kh8 is also good.

ColdSunshine

I play Budapest gambit all the time against d4

Chicken_Monster

Maybe we shouldn't limit the responses to the "sharpest" reply, but good responses in general. Anything else?

TurboFish

1.d4 c5 leads to unusual asymmetrical positions.  One line, the "Dutch Benoni" (AKA Clarendon Court), continues 2.d5 f5.  Weird, and a bit risky for Black.

 



MNMSkyBlue

... SO MANY PAWN MOVES

ghostofmaroczy
XPLAYERJX wrote:

ghostofmaroczy

 

I've been dying to ask a King's Indian maven:

Is it fair to characterize the King's Indian as a defense which accepts a losing position so rife with counterattacking possibility that the chances of exploiting a White error and winning are extremely high?

Rogue_King

No its not.

toiyabe
ghostofmaroczy wrote:
XPLAYERJX wrote:

ghostofmaroczy

 

I've been dying to ask a King's Indian maven:

Is it fair to characterize the King's Indian as a defense which accepts a losing position so rife with counterattacking possibility that the chances of exploiting a White error and winning are extremely high?

Hardly...even Stockfish sees the dynamic compensation that blacks temporarily cramped position has, as it doesn't give out huge evaluations in white's favor in the opening like Houdini and to a lesser extent Komodo.  

TheGreatOogieBoogie
Dark_Falcon wrote:

The sharpest reply to 1.d4 is the Englund-Gambit with 1...e5 (especially the Soller/Felbecker-Gambit after 2.dxe5 f6 and the Blackburne-Hartlaub-Gambit with 2.dxe5 d6,i dont like the passive main lines with Qe7).

A more "solid" reply is the Albins Counter-Gambit which was mentioned in other posts here.

A third option is the Baltic Defence 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Bf5 which can be extremely sharp after 3.Qb3 e5! or 3.Nc3 e6 4.Qb3 Nc6!, but can also be very lame and positional after 3.Nc3 e6 4. Nf3 c6.

All these three openings are my repertoire versus 1.d4...

The Englund never really feels that sharp or maybe I haven't encountered the proper variations:

Why not simply play a Budapest?  White only has a slight advantage at best if he manages to sift through the complications:






TurboFish

@XPLAYERJX, thanks for posting that Clarendon Court game, I enjoyed it.  Based on what I saw, you seem experienced with that defence.  Do you play it regularly?  I have studied GM John Levitt's DVD about it, and I play it once in a while with mixed results.  My chess expert friends tell me it is positionally unsound.  What do you think?

Anyone interested in the Clarendon Court/Dutch Benoni should have a look at the Clarendon Court defense group here on chess.com.

warrior689

KID is probably the sharpest.

The Englund has been worked out to an advantage for white.

Against the Benko, white can play the b6 declined line where he plays, a4 a5, and neutralizes the initative of the two rooks.

The Benoni is always an option, though I dont find the threats on d6, or the prospect of white clamping down with a2-a4-a5 very appealing.

The Grunfeld is good, but extremely heavy theory wise.

While again, I prefer KID, sometime the Cambridge Springs variation of the Slav is wonderful, especially when your opponent does not know, the highly counter-intuitive move, which is the only move, that does not lose material. If he does stop your idea, you can always just go on with solid play.

Mainline_Novelty

The Dutch Benoni or whatever is complete bs

TurboFish
Mainline_Novelty wrote:

The Dutch Benoni or whatever is complete bs

Is your opinion based on experience?  Not trying to start an arguement -- I sincerely want to know.  I've seen GMs and masters play it, so how can it be "complete bs"?

Mainline_Novelty

It might be ok as a surprise weapon, but the fact remains that Black's position simply isn't good after 2...f5...which is why nobody good uses it as more than a surprise weapon.

TurboFish
Mainline_Novelty wrote:

It might be ok as a surprise weapon, but the fact remains that Black's position simply isn't good after 2...f5...which is why nobody good uses it as more than a surprise weapon.

Okay fair enough (it is in fact rarely used, as you say).  I respect your opinion since you are a fairly strong player.  So, I'd like to know your opinion about the Dutch defense in general.  Would you say that any of the Dutch main lines are good enough to recommend to a friend?

I get the impression that many who play the Dutch think that 1.d4 c5 2.d5 f5 is just too risky.