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IncrediBill vs zrylam (with kibitzers)

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IncrediBill

I liked your analysis in Post #151 on Page 8 here.  It looks like @zrylam and myself are potentially heading for a Bishop exchange.  It remains to be seen what move he makes.

IncrediBill
zrylam wrote:

I'm not going to overthink and talk myself out of this move, I'm just going to roll with it:

25. ...Qh4

 

On a side note, I'm out to play some retardedly difficult competition in the final round of an online Tournament, so forgive me if I'm brief or late to reply.


 Take your time.  No Rush.  Good Luck in your Tournament.

IncrediBill

Well I am at a bit of a loss to try and decide how to proceed, or where to launch an attack.  It seems that the ball is in my court to see what direction to take the game in.

I feel that with his Qh4 move, he is setting things up to advance his e-pawn to the e4 square.  I feel that I should probably maneuver my Queen into a postition to also cover that e4 square. 

The best place I feel this could be done would be to play 26.Qxb4.  I would recapture my lost pawn and even things up, and I would still be protecting the d6-pawn, while at the same time unblocking my d1-Rook.  I would also continue to protect the e4 square.

The 26. Qxb4 move also threatens his Queen on the h4 square.  He is either forced to move his Queen to safety, or exchange with mine.  I feel that whichever option he chooses it works out in my favour. 

If he moves his Queen to safety, then he has just wasted a turn moving it to the h4 square in the first place.  If he exchanges Queens with me, then we take a big step toward the end game, and I feel that I am set up better 'postionally' than he is.

So if there is another line of attack that I could go with, I would love to hear it.  Otherwise, can I get a thumbs up for the 26.Qxb4 move???

IncrediBill

I've explored a couple of different options and I can't seem to find any other good lines of attack.  So, as I explained in Post #155, I am going to recapture my pawn back and even the game up, and force @zrylam to decide which direction to take the game in.

So my official move is . . . . 26.Qxb4

 
corpsporc

27. f4!!!!

IncrediBill
corpsporc wrote:

27. f4!!!!


 On the surface 27.f4 seems like a good move, because if he captures it with his pawn, then I can recapture it with my Queen.  However, instead of capturing my pawn, @zrylam could play 27...e4 and line up all of his pawns in a very strong diagonal.  Even worse than that he could respond with 27...Qg4+, forcing me to move my King and then he could capture my pawn and go up a piece.

I'm afraid that unless I am missing something (and there is some sort of alternate plan), 27.f4 is not the move to make.

IncrediBill

I think I have a choice between two possible moves. 

I could play 27.Re3 and then prepare to make the f4 move and attack his Queen.  Of, course @zrylam could respond with f4 before I do, and then I could move my rook to the d-file, and then so on, and so on, and so on. 

My other alternative would be to play 27.a4 and attack his b5-pawn,  He would not be able to capture my a4-pawn because he would lose his b8-Rook.  It would cause some problems for @zrylam because he would be forced to protect his pawn and tie up his resources that might be best used elsewhere.

Between the two options, I prefer 27.a4.  Unless someone can come up with support for the 27.Re3 move, or an alternate move all together, then that is the one that I will go with.  I will make my official move tomorrow.

John_D

My suggestion would be Qb3, then we protect the pawn and our queen is still protected when we need to exchanges pawns.

ScarredEyes

I'll post some lines for f4, again, with his move. Maybe not the best, but still a suggestion. As for between Re3 and a4, I'd pick Re3 - it's safe, retains the f3 pawn which actually seems critical to the defense of the king, and as you said, allows movement to d-file or even c-file if things need be. a4 doesn't need to be hurried, I think. a4 can be played after Re3, to remove threats of checks.

f4 is a decisive move - it allows the game to progress - but whether it's good or bad is

IncrediBill

Sorry for the delay in getting back to everyone.  I thought that I knew what direction I was going in, and then @John_D had to suggest the Qb3 move.  It took me a while to go through some different sequences to see how that move would play out.

Of course, @ScarredEyes also did an extensive analysis that I had to go through to weigh all the pros and cons of the f4 move.  So that took me some time to run through.

In the end I think that the f4 move is a pretty volitile move, in the sense that the game could start getting out of control and then start to swing in favour of either player.  The other thing is that it is not an aggressive move.  It would give @zrylam the time to decide the best way to take advantage of it.

The Re3 move seems to have the same problems as the f4 move.  @zrylam would be able to start stirring up problems for me, and forcing me to start responding to his moves.  Also, if he plays the f4 move, then he is going to start cutting off some exits for my King.  I would also be forced to continue to protect my f3 pawn, to make sure that his Queen does not move in.

The Qb3 move seems like a practical move.  However, I think that @zrylam would respond with Qh4 and he would then be in control of that open rank.  I think that I would prefer to keep my Queen on the 4th rank and stay in control of it (at least for now).

I think that the best move to make would be the a4 move.  It forces @zrylam to make some difficult choices and use up his resources to enforce them.  If he decides to capture my f3 pawn, then he would be removing a doubled up pawn for me.  At my end I would be evening things up by capturing the b5 pawn and having a second passed pawn (it also establishes a White dominance of the Queen side of the board).

So for good or bad I think that will be my official move . . . . . 27.a4

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IncrediBill

It looks like @zrylam has taken care of my doubled-up pawn problem.  Although, I did like having that f3-pawn holding off the advancement of his e5-pawn.  I could end up regretting not defending that f3-pawn when I had the chance. 

One of the problems with chess is that when you try to make gains in one area, you create weaknesses in another.  In this case I am gambling that trading my f3-pawn for his b5-pawn puts me in a stronger position for the eventual end game.

I figure that I will now have two past pawns and a slight dominance of the Queen side of the board.  The question is, how will @zrylam respond to my official move of . . . .  . 28.axb5

Mainline_Novelty

I like White here A LOT

ScarredEyes

Yeah, White's now got a definite advantage here, where Black could hold him a while ago.

The b5 pawn was important - it meant the difference between 1 or 2 passed pawns for White. There's no gamble in that trade of pawns - the creation of White's 2nd passed pawn is far stronger than Black's Queen position. The only trouble is, is that White MUST press home that advantage before Black advances his mass of pawns, or causes a massive counterattack on the pawn(s). Seems very easy to press home the advantage, though. A possibility for White is Qa5 - Bb6 - Bc7 - b6, solidifying the position, and allows ease of transferring rooks to cover both advanced pawns or remove the blockade.

If I were Black, I'd highly recommend about now Qg4+, forcing the exchange of queens in exchange for an isolated pawn and a slightly weaker pawn structure. Without this, White can push ahead with Qa5, or a R+Q battery, or some other queen move to retain his queen.

Analysis board coming up. Oh for crying out loud, it did not submit.,...again. Perhaps for the better - from move 3 the moves were just about forced to me, and move 2 have a little bit more variety...

Suffice to say, Black is finished. Utterly finished. Qg4+ may trade queens, but White can then play on the idea of the weak back rank. If Black does certain moves, or if he uses a tempo to solidify it, White can play to just push the pawns, use the bishop for support; in fact, just play b6 and Ra1-Ra7. Moving Black's bishop will allow tactics going down into, at best, a 2R vs R+B endgame, and at worst without being stupid/suicidal, 2v1 rook endgame.

Other possible moves for Black is h5 to try to rectify the back rank immediately, but can be replied with Re3 if White wants to exchange queens; e4 weakens dark squares, but it may be the most resistant move (to change: White's Re3 can now be met with Qe4. Who knows what can happen after White's f3.) Ra8 allows Bb6, and Rb7 just pretty much complies to b6.

cobra91

So did zrylam resign? I certainly hope not, because I don't think this game is even close to being over. With the f3 pawn eliminated Black can safely make the e4 push he has been striving for all along, after which the vulnerability of White's king, and the amount of counterplay that ought to result from it, should not be underestimated. At the very least, White will be hard pressed to prevent a draw by perpetual (due to the threat of Qg4+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qf3+ etc.)

And ScarredEyes, Re3?? by White allows the unpleasant ...Qxd1+. Wink

28...Qg4+ would of course be a blunder. Not only does it remove any chance to exploit White's weakened king position, but it also leads to an endgame, where the passed queenside pawns would most likely prove to be decisive.

ScarredEyes

Of course, Re3?? ?!?!?!? I've seen that mistake before, a few moves ago. Looks like I've missed it...yet again. Thank you for pointing it out. And yeah, White's king position is not likeable, it's literally Black's trump card now. Black has GOT to create weaknesses for a longer-term harrying...and if with your sequence --- Ke2 Qf3+ what will happen if White then plays Kd2? c3 is adequately protected, and Qf4+ is met with Kc2 (Not Be3 as that will lose the d pawn, and th rooks will have more freedom...possibly enough freedom to give Black a great game.) after which I can't see any more good moves for Black to continue the perpetual. Maybe I really am not having a good time with chess-o-vision at the moment, but I see no perpetual check - just a huge chase. Better for Black, but still...

I hope zrylam has not abandoned this game :(

IncrediBill

I do not think he has.  I think he is just tied up with Christmas and New Years holidays.

I have been in Mexico for the last week and a half, and I will not be back till next week.  I can only get to a computer sporadically.

IncrediBill

Looks like @zrylam has got all of his pawns nicely lined up and is ready to start marching them down toward my King.  He has also opened up a nice long file for his Bishop.  On the 'down' side, his e4 pawn is blocking in his Queen a little.

I think a simple and straight forward move for me to make would be to advance my b-pawn one square to the b6 square.  That way my Bishop will be doing double duty by protecting both pawns, and I am sure that @zrylam will begin to start worrying about two past pawns only steps away from promotion.  One thing for sure, he is going to have to start using his valuable resources to make sure those two pawns do not get any closer.

So unless someone can come up with a better move, I will make the b6 move my official move tomorrow night.

ScarredEyes

Why not delay that by one move and play Ba7?! first? It seems a bit risky though (hence the ?!) in that Black's best reply might be Rd8.

Plus, if b6, then what if ...Qg4+ 30. Kh/f1 Qf4, bringing a new attacker on the d6 pawn? It might not be viable either, but if Black wants to neutralize the pawns, then he can simply play Bf8 with the intention of Rxb6 followed by Rxd6 or Bxd6.

I don't see much other plans though, so I'd go for b6, the safest plan.

IncrediBill
ScarredEyes wrote:

Why not delay that by one move and play Ba7?! first? It seems a bit risky though (hence the ?!) in that Black's best reply might be Rd8.

Plus, if b6, then what if ...Qg4+ 30. Kh/f1 Qf4, bringing a new attacker on the d6 pawn? It might not be viable either, but if Black wants to neutralize the pawns, then he can simply play Bf8 with the intention of Rxb6 followed by Rxd6 or Bxd6.

I don't see much other plans though, so I'd go for b6, the safest plan.

I don't see an advantage with playing 29.Ba7, as he would probably respond with 29...Rxa7 and move up a free piece.

As far as @zrylam playing ...Qg4+,  I assume that he will be playing that at some point.  There are several reasons why he might, but mainly to have the tempo to allow him to maneuver his Queen into a different location and apply some pressure.

IncrediBill

As per my comments in Post #172 and #174, and that @ScarredEyes concurs that b6 is the safest plan, then I am going to make that my official move . . . . . 29.b6