@frank: really neat fishing hat :-)
Fishing Pole Trap
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Absolutely devastating if two conditions are met:
1. Your opponent has never seen this tried before.
2. While analyzing the position after capturing the minor piece, your opponent doesn't see Qh4!
I used to employ the tactic all the time when I was climbing in bullet but eventually gave it up at ~1400 elo when most knew better than to take.
You'd have to be a fool to play this in a game that isn't ridiculously short. The simple explanation is it's only a matter of time before you have to move the knight again.
Sep 7, 2012
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johnmusacha wrote:
Anyone know why it's called the Fishing Pole?
Have you boys got no imagination? Obviously the Rook is the 'handle' part of the fishing rod, your Queen is the far part of the rod and there is bait on the fishhook. It is the straightness of the file which suggests the name. Of course, I am only guessing after a moment's thought, but how can it be anything else?
If white is terrible and takes then white loses... but if white is that bad they were going to lose anyway so why not play real moves instead of BS. If White is halfway decent after the trap is declined black's position has a pair of self-inflicted wounds -- the kingside is ventilated and the N is misplaced... not the sort of thing Bobby Fischer was known for, by the way.
Sep 7, 2012
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Here's a turn based game against a 1630+ (then) opponent who resigned on move 9 after biting the bait dangling on the line of my h file fishing pole.
(In before "not sound, cheap tactic, doesn't really work, dubious, wouldn't work against stronger player, don't you think you're cool, etc.)
Black generously donates his king to a good cause.
Sep 8, 2012
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bronsteinitz wrote:
@frank: really neat fishing hat :-)
You can insult me, you can insult my game but please don't insult my hat!
Sorry Frank :-)
game is useful to try.
No, the hat is much more useful.
If it had fishing lures and hooks & stuff hanging down from it, that would even be thematic.
Those worked well when I was younger. The good old days...
The Fishing Pole concept is as old as Greco but Life Master Jack Young invented the term - fishing for cheap tactics against fish. thousands of examples at DenverChess.com, BrianWallChess@Yahoogroups.com, Joel Johnson's Formation Attacks, How To Play Chess Like an Animal or youtube videos.
8th move by black: ... Ng4!
Sorry if im just being stupid, Im still quite new to chess.
If I had a bishop aiming at the f2 square and the opponent ignored my fishing pole, is it bad to just sac the knight and bishop for the f2 pawn and a rook?
Yeah two pieces are much better here.
clovisnyu wrote:
Sorry if im just being stupid, Im still quite new to chess.
If I had a bishop aiming at the f2 square and the opponent ignored my fishing pole, is it bad to just sac the knight and bishop for the f2 pawn and a rook?
With no open lines, the two pieces enjoy far better mobility than the rook. Plus, Black loses precious time (...Bc5, ...Nf6-Ng4-Nxf2) to make the trade, while white had defended investing just one move (castling, which is in any case a useful move). So yes, most of the times such a trade is a bad idea, and here there's no exception.
frank124c, I hope this is a joke. You are using a beginners' game full of mistakes to prove the idea of the fishing pole is great ?
And I can't see how Qe6+ instead of Qxf6 would have won : there is a knight on g5, remember how they move ?