I just got annihilated can anyone help me spot how and why please?

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IMKeto

Joined
May 29, 2008

Over 10 years here. 

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Should not be telling someone a move should not be played because an engine "says" its -.85.

Its the 2nd. move in a game, and as far as 2.Bg4 goes?...there is nothing wrong with it. 

PLEASE turn off the engine, and do some critical thinking instead of mindlessly repeating what an intimate object tells you to think.  Actually LEARN chess, and don't just mindlessly repeat things.

IMKeto

Capablanca great quote about how to use books, should be updated and instead of books change it to engines.

“Chess engines should be used as we use glasses: to assist the sight, although some players make use of them as if they thought they conferred sight”
-- Jose Raul Capablanca

madratter7

Ah guys, that was Forked_Agains point.

 

"Does this game look familiar? That's you playing black, down .85 after MOVE 2.

Still think that's significant? HA!"

 

His point was that you say you care about down .85 but here you are doing just that. Forked_Again is taking the same position IMBacon and DeirdreSkye are taking. It isn't significant.

forked_again

No Deirdre, you don't know what you are talking about.  If you were following the thread, I was making the same point you are making.  That .85 shown by the computer is meaningless.  

forked_again
madratter7 wrote:

Ah guys, that was Forked_Agains point.

 

"Does this game look familiar? That's you playing black, down .85 after MOVE 2.

Still think that's significant? HA!"

 

His point was that you say you care about down .85 but here you are doing just that. Forked_Again is taking the same position IMBacon and DeirdreSkye are taking. It isn't significant.

Exactly.  Thank you Mad ratter.  At least someone is paying attention.  

forked_again
IMBacon wrote:

Joined
May 29, 2008

Over 10 years here. 

 

Should not be telling someone a move should not be played because an engine "says" its -.85.

Its the 2nd. move in a game, and as far as 2.Bg4 goes?...there is nothing wrong with it. 

PLEASE turn off the engine, and do some critical thinking instead of mindlessly repeating what an intimate object tells you to think.  Actually LEARN chess, and don't just mindlessly repeat things.

Jeeezus bacon I figured at least you would get it.  Yesterday, you and I were both arguing with David, pointing out the insignificance of a number like that.  Do you remember?  Are you old and senile?  (I thought that was MY problem).

SO I post to illustrate the point we were both making, and all of a sudden you forget what's going on and think I'm using the computer to make fun of a bad opening move?  Man, that went WAAAY over your head didn't it lol!  

 

PS  Thanks for posting my stats.  Yes, I signed up in 2008, but played my first online chess game ever just a couple of months ago.  

IMKeto
forked_again wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Joined
May 29, 2008

Over 10 years here. 

 

Should not be telling someone a move should not be played because an engine "says" its -.85.

Its the 2nd. move in a game, and as far as 2.Bg4 goes?...there is nothing wrong with it. 

PLEASE turn off the engine, and do some critical thinking instead of mindlessly repeating what an intimate object tells you to think.  Actually LEARN chess, and don't just mindlessly repeat things.

Jeeezus bacon I figured at least you would get it.  Yesterday, you and I were both arguing with David, pointing out the insignificance of a number like that.  Do you remember?  Are you old and senile?  (I thought that was MY problem).

SO I post to illustrate the point we were both making, and all of a sudden you forget what's going on and think I'm using the computer to make fun of a bad opening move?  Man, that went WAAAY over your head didn't it lol!  

 

PS  Thanks for posting my stats.  Yes, I signed up in 2008, but played my first online chess game ever just a couple of months ago.  

My apologies...I'm at work and bored.  I just felt like stirring the pot :-)

I need to remember that not everyone gets my sense of humor.

But to answer your questions:

Am i old?  Kinda...Im 55.

Am i senile: Not as far as i know.

forked_again
IMBacon wrote:
forked_again wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Joined
May 29, 2008

Over 10 years here. 

 

Should not be telling someone a move should not be played because an engine "says" its -.85.

Its the 2nd. move in a game, and as far as 2.Bg4 goes?...there is nothing wrong with it. 

PLEASE turn off the engine, and do some critical thinking instead of mindlessly repeating what an intimate object tells you to think.  Actually LEARN chess, and don't just mindlessly repeat things.

Jeeezus bacon I figured at least you would get it.  Yesterday, you and I were both arguing with David, pointing out the insignificance of a number like that.  Do you remember?  Are you old and senile?  (I thought that was MY problem).

SO I post to illustrate the point we were both making, and all of a sudden you forget what's going on and think I'm using the computer to make fun of a bad opening move?  Man, that went WAAAY over your head didn't it lol!  

 

PS  Thanks for posting my stats.  Yes, I signed up in 2008, but played my first online chess game ever just a couple of months ago.  

My apologies...I'm at work and bored.  I just felt like stirring the pot :-)

I need to remember that not everyone gets my sense of humor.

But to answer your questions:

Am i old?  Kinda...Im 55.

Am i senile: Not as far as i know.

Sounds like we are in the same boat, old, senile, and in denial!

IMKeto
forked_again wrote:
IMBacon wrote:
forked_again wrote:
IMBacon wrote:

Joined
May 29, 2008

Over 10 years here. 

 

Should not be telling someone a move should not be played because an engine "says" its -.85.

Its the 2nd. move in a game, and as far as 2.Bg4 goes?...there is nothing wrong with it. 

PLEASE turn off the engine, and do some critical thinking instead of mindlessly repeating what an intimate object tells you to think.  Actually LEARN chess, and don't just mindlessly repeat things.

Jeeezus bacon I figured at least you would get it.  Yesterday, you and I were both arguing with David, pointing out the insignificance of a number like that.  Do you remember?  Are you old and senile?  (I thought that was MY problem).

SO I post to illustrate the point we were both making, and all of a sudden you forget what's going on and think I'm using the computer to make fun of a bad opening move?  Man, that went WAAAY over your head didn't it lol!  

 

PS  Thanks for posting my stats.  Yes, I signed up in 2008, but played my first online chess game ever just a couple of months ago.  

My apologies...I'm at work and bored.  I just felt like stirring the pot :-)

I need to remember that not everyone gets my sense of humor.

But to answer your questions:

Am i old?  Kinda...Im 55.

Am i senile: Not as far as i know.

Sounds like we are in the same boat, old, senile, and in denial!

At least we have company!

Daniel1115
forked_again wrote:
Daniel1115 wrote:
forked_again wrote:

No no no not significant!  You are a stubborn one aren't you ?

Go play against the computer.  It shows you your score after each move.  See how many ways you can play standard opening moves, especially with black, and end up down by .75 or more, by your third move. 

Maybe thats how you play your openings, but I dont.

Really?  You don't play openings that way do you genius...

Does this game look familiar?  That's you playing black, down .85 after MOVE 2.  

Still think that's significant?  HA!

You really need to stop trying to defend a stupid position dude.  You seem like you don't even know what the analysis means.  

 

 

Engine analysis for the opening means very little. Use it in a hypermodern position and it gives over +1 advantage to white. 

Daniel1115
forked_again wrote:

No Deirdre, you don't know what you are talking about.  If you were following the thread, I was making the same point you are making.  That .85 shown by the computer is meaningless.  

If you go back in look, you are not saying that. You said that because the engine only gives -0.85 to Ng5 the move is not a big problem.