1 move in chess (eg 1 e4 e5) is 2 ply.
PROOF That Chess.com's Engine is Weak!
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May 25, 2020
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#43
StyleGiant wrote:
14 moves is 7 ply. Wait am I confused.
You are indeed confused. One ply is one move for one player. So a move by White and a reply by Black is counted as one move, but two ply.
Unless you are AlphaZero, your claim that Stockfish is weak is ludicrous. Maybe you should examine your setup.
May 25, 2020
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#45
Oh ok. But premium member can game report up to 24 ply am I correct? That can't be bad.
May 26, 2020
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#46
Bentcilian wrote:
Well, stockfish 10 is the strongest engine currently in the world..
Uh, what about Alphazero, Stockfish 11, DEV Builds since Stockfish 11?
Jun 2, 2020
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#47
MGleason escribió:
Saying the engine is weak isn't really accurate. It's Stockfish 10, which, according to the CCRL rating list, is currently the strongest engine in the world.
However - and this is what you're picking up on - the depth of analysis is important. The depth of analysis is determined by the capabilities of the hardware and by the analysis time.
If you want deep analysis that would make you competitive in ICCF, using an online browser is simply not a good idea. Download the engine to run it locally on your own hardware; you'll get much better results.
But if you just want a quick guide to where you blunders were and what tactics you missed, the online version is more than adequate.
That list is quite clearly outdated, after all, it's been weeks since we got Stockfish 11, a direct upgrade from Stockfish 10.
Jun 2, 2020
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#48
And of course we have some dev builds of what will eventually be SF 12 (will we skip 13?).
Jun 2, 2020
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#49
Heck, for years i used the really old free version Fritz 5.32 which is rated at 2500. It was more than adequate to find missed tactics, and blunders.
it has only depth 18, what do you expect?
MGleason wrote:
I don't see why you consider this a shocking revelation. The online analyser is not intended for competitive play in ICCF events. It's intended as a quick guide to where you went wrong, primarily targeted towards the casual player in the 800-1800 range, and it's perfectly adequate for that purpose. You don't need ICCF-level analysis to achieve that goal.
In other words, the quality isn't very good...but it is adequate enough for casual players rated under 1800. And this is what it was intended for.
Very disappointing to hear
Jun 3, 2020
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#52
The quality is very good. It's very, very strong when compared to human play.
But what you can do locally on good hardware is way beyond very good, it's insanely over-the-top good.
A quick online analysis is never going to compare to deep analysis locally on good hardware. That's not its purpose, and it would be ridiculous to expect to be even close.
Jun 3, 2020
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#53
Stockfish 10 is rated 3600. Now lets be really generous and say that the web based version is 3400. Ok...lets be nuts and say it is "only" 3000.
Now i get what thirllerfan is saying since he plays correspondence chess. So i understand where is is coming from. But to the rest of you stating that it is "weak"??? That weak chess engine is better than any human player. So please tell me how something rated 3000 is not good enough for you to use?
Jun 3, 2020
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#54
A single-threaded web-version might even be "only" 2800. Sure, not good enough for ICCF competition, but plenty good enough for any meaningful human play. I doubt top-level GMs are using online engines to check their games.
"...very, very strong when compared to human play."
What human?
Even my lowly rated self can see that in the position of question White's queen is trapped.
At depths below 20, the engine is weak...very weak. Perhaps not always, but enough it can't be called GM level.
It's not just the online engine though...you get a similar result on a local device at the same depth.
In fact, I see quite often, depth less than 30 with sub-GM level moves. The earlier in the game, the worse it gets.
If you want quality, you either invest time (to wait) or money for the hardware. Best is both worlds combined.
Jun 3, 2020
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#56
1e41-0 wrote:
It matters not only the engine (Stockfish 10), but the hardware it's running on.
And depth.
Jun 4, 2020
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#57
If you really want very deep, high-level analysis by engine standards, you don't rely on an online engine. Or a phone. You run it locally on good hardware.
Jun 4, 2020
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#58
MGleason wrote:
If you really want very deep, high-level analysis by engine standards, you don't rely on an online engine. Or a phone. You run it locally on good hardware.
And there ya have it!
14 moves is 7 ply. Wait am I confused.