Chess.com banned Hans after beating Magnus. Why?

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No one has accused Hans of cheating. (Aside from random internet posters.)

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There is amoney for champion
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NervesofButter wrote:
MrSalicylic wrote:

No one has accused Hans of cheating. (Aside from random internet posters.)

Carlsen and Nakamura have insinuated it.  You son have to use the word "cheat" to accuse someone.

 

Can you explain how Nakamura 'insinuated' it?

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Lolada wrote:

I am disgusted with chesscom decision to ban Hans at this moment without evidence. Shameful decision.

ur getting pretty close to Lola there hotshot. be careful...

(...lol !)

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I think its a fascinating conversation being had.

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MrLaoch ha scritto:

The fact that he played lot of games with 100% accuracy and then he can't remember his own moves is quite suspicious IMO...

I cant recall him playing with 100% accuracy in the tournament. 

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     Chess.com has not announced that they have banned Niemann. Carlsen has not said that he quit the tournament because of any cheating. There is a lot of baseless speculation going on.

     The supposed cheating seems to have been that someone in Carlsen's entourage leaked his opening prep to Niemann. Even if this is true, both players spent their time studying the same positions. When they sat down at the board, they were both playing an opening system they and their assistants had just analyzed. Hans sees to have done a better job of evaluating the opening, got an advantage, and continued to outperform Magnus through the rest of the game.

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does a/o here tink they did all this on purpose to make abuncha news for chess ?

i mean u hafta admit...it has really stirred things up & expect the world press to start launching stories of folk & lore. sooo exciting...luvit...yee !!  

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You didn't internet right the correct way to counter was 

The fact that magnus played like trash and then withdraws is Quite suspicious IMO... 

or 

The fact Chess.com banned Nieman after getting in bed with magnus for 85 million is quite suspicious IMO...  

 

In either case no ones opinion is based on the game in question just the mans character. Nothing in his play at all has been questioned bad look for magnus and chess.com from my perspective.  I struggle to even think of a BS reason magnus could give that makes what he did make any sense.  The conspiracy leaked prep stuff just doesn't ship what does is magnus thinking dude cheated with no proof and thinking he is magnus so he doesn't need proof because he thinks he is a special. 

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SmyslovFan wrote:

This is the most unfair banning chess.com has ever done. They used to say that it didn’t matter who made the accusations, they would treat players fairly.

 

    Well, as 'unfair' bannings go, this is certainly not unique. Chess.com's anti-cheating software, or algorithms, or whatever they use, is sometimes defective, and innocent members do get their accounts closed. But that's not the situation here. It seems simple innuendo, and intimations of cheating, got Hans banned. Maybe his case invoked the "three strikes you're out" rule.

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None of the three main chess "influencers" - Carlsen, Nakamura and chess.com has made any official public accusation against Niemann.

Carlsen has merely posted a tweet with a vague insinuation. You do not need to be a Grandmasters to tell that he performed well below his best against Niemann and made a significant blunder in the game. Any of the other players in the tournament would have had good winning chances against him given how relatively weak he played that game. Niemann himself made three mistakes in the game and only won because Carlsen played worse.

Nakamura said that he wasn't personally saying Niemann cheated but there "are a lot of suspicions" and "other people have said" etc. He reviewed the Carlsen - Niemann game before Carlsen withdrew from the tournament and congratulated Niemann and criticized Carlsen's opening. Nakamura didn't appear to be at all suspicious at that point. 

Chess.com has said it won't comment but it's decision gives Niemann the appearance of guilt without any facts revealed at all.

Together these three have succeeded in trashing the reputation of a strong Grandmaster without citing any actual evidence whatsoever, or even any credible theory as to how he could possibly have cheated even if he wanted to.

This is a shameful week for the world of chess.

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Lemme see his profile

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SmyslovFan wrote:

This is the most unfair banning chess.com has ever done.

How do you know that?

The timing is poor, but we don't know anything about the banning.

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MrLaoch wrote:

The fact that he played lot of games with 100% accuracy and then he can't remember his own moves is quite suspicious IMO...

That's nothing. I can't remember my own moves either. Often with 100% accuracy. 

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I don't care what hogwash chess.com claims with cheat detection systems.  They are all a bunch of complete and utter bulls**t!

 

You cannot tell me, no matter how brilliant a game is played, that it is PROOF that he or she cheated unless you can find the source, like a cell phone in the toilet paper holder in the Men's or Women's room!  THAT'S PROOF!  Not some BS cheat detection system.

 

Everyone plays brilliant games.  Everyone has complete duds!  As a roughly 2000 USCF over the board player, the following have all happened, and without cheating:

 

I beat a 2447 IM in August 2010

I drew GM Ben Finegold in late April 2022

I was on the WEAK SIDE of a draw against a 1500 player 2 1/2 weeks ago, and he actually never left his seat the whole game (Time control was only G/50, Inc/5).

 

 

UNEXPECTED RESULTS HAPPEN!  GET OVER IT MAGNUS AND CHESS.COM!

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KevinOSh wrote:

None of the three main chess "influencers" - Carlsen, Nakamura and chess.com has made any official public accusation against Niemann.

Carlsen has merely posted a tweet with a vague insinuation. You do not need to be a Grandmasters to tell that he performed well below his best against Niemann and made a significant blunder in the game. Any of the other players in the tournament would have had good winning chances against him given how relatively weak he played that game. Niemann himself made three mistakes in the game and only won because Carlsen played worse.

Nakamura said that he wasn't personally saying Niemann cheated but there "are a lot of suspicions" and "other people have said" etc. He reviewed the Carlsen - Niemann game before Carlsen withdrew from the tournament and congratulated Niemann and criticized Carlsen's opening. Nakamura didn't appear to be at all suspicious at that point. 

Chess.com has said it won't comment but it's decision gives Niemann the appearance of guilt without any facts revealed at all.

Together these three have succeeded in trashing the reputation of a strong Grandmaster without citing any actual evidence whatsoever, or even any credible theory as to how he could possibly have cheated even if he wanted to.

This is a shameful week for the world of chess.

The annoying thing is when Dewa Kipas cheated, and very obviously so, Nakamura refused to call him out on it, presumably because he didn't want to lose subscribers in general and didn't want Indonesian backlash specifically.

But Naka apparently sees Hans as a safe target, and so is quick to heap accusations on him.

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ThrillerFan wrote:

I don't care what hogwash chess.com claims with cheat detection systems.  They are all a bunch of complete and utter bulls**t!

 

You cannot tell me, no matter how brilliant a game is played, that it is PROOF that he or she cheated unless you can find the source, like a cell phone in the toilet paper holder in the Men's or Women's room!  THAT'S PROOF!  Not some BS cheat detection system.

Outside of mathematics nothing is proven, lol.

In the real world you can gather a lot of evidence of something, and it's essentially proof. For example if it has snowed, and there are bear tracks going up to your garbage, and also tracks going away... and since chess.com has an enormous amount of data, they can use statistics to show someone is cheating.

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han smoke dem...yee !!

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KevinOSh wrote:

Chess.com has said it won't comment but it's decision gives Niemann the appearance of guilt without any facts revealed at all.

And yeah, all together it's poor behavior from Carlsen and Chess.com too. This is a special case, so they shouldn't choose this time to ban his account while also not making any statement at all.

And even if Carlsen suspected the game was unfair, he shouldn't have quit in the middle of the tournament.

Naka, I already covered why he's a POS.

In Carlsen's words when questioned about the touch-move rule... "do better"

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I don’t want the site to give away evidence, I just want them to confirm that he was banned solely for activity on the site and that the timing of the ban is just a sheer (massive) coincidence.