Chess is like reciting

Quote rom OmegaChess.com:

"In the past 200-so years Chess has been over-analyzed, over-studied, every possible opening catalogued and memorized, every possible ending scenario played and replayed millions of times, the novelty factor of Traditional Chess had disappeared. Above a certain level, playing Chess simply means replaying some form of opening and ending from memory. Any small mistake causes the other party to lose."

I have never really tried to learn the openings. The openings are played to the degree where chess is like a game where you just memorize the opening and endgame moves and skills don't play as much. And yet many professional chess players seem to do it...

I would prefer it so that we don't read so many moves ahead.

Even the world champion retired from chess cause after beating everyone, he found no interest in chess anymore... (I think this part is correct)

Well, these are my thoughts.

" The number of possible chess positions after White’s first ply move is 20 (16 pawn moves and 4 knight moves).  There are 400 possible chess positions after two ply moves (first ply move for White followed by first ply move for Black). 

There are 5,362 possible positions(White’s second ply move) or 8,902 total positions after two ply moves each. There are 71,852 possible positions or 197,742 total positions after four moves. There are 809,896 possible positions or 4,897,256 total positions after 5 moves.There are 9,132,484 total positions after 6 moves. From move 7 the possible positions stabilize as chess lines end, even from move 2 some chess lines end. There are +-10,921,506 total possible positions after 7 moves. 

The special draw, the King's draw, should occur a minimum of 32 times. The longest recorded game ended in a draw after 269 moves."

http://www.chess.com/chessopedia/view/mathematics-and-chess

There are just way too many positions for a human to memorize. Even if your opponent knows the opening better than you, they also have to know how to take advantage of how you misplay the opening.

I hate it when people plan many moves ahead and then try to mate me.

The person who that is quoted from obviously knows very little.

i am afraid changgi is correct. most of all sensible lines are KNOWN. maybe not known to you or me but to some GMs everything is known. pick up any repertoire book on the dragon or the najdorf. all the beauty and brilliancy is laid bare in variations. not to say that chess isn't great. just the fact that so much analysis has been done by human beings speaks volumes about the capacity of the human mind.

http://www.omegachess.com/home.html

I feel my IQ dropped considerably after reading their attempts to prove 'omega chess' is superior to normal chess.

" Based on the numbers given. Even if you could "store" one complete chess position in every neuron in your brain, there are only about 100 billion neurons (10xE10) - that is:

100,000,000,000 

and there are 20xE45 possible moves - that is:

20,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

BTW, Physiscists estimate 10xE72 to 10xE87 particles in the entire universe."

Even if one day that was true pdve (no where near the truth right now) It is impossible to play from just memorizaton.

the flaw in your argument, chessfa1, is that moves like 1.nh3 or 1.h3 or 2.nh3 or 2.ke2 do not really count. nor does it make sense to exchange your queen for a knight or drop a piece or pawn for no compensation. these are not moves that a human being will consider.

when a human being looks at a position it's very different from when a computer looks at a position.

hence a repertoire book on the dragon or najdorf can be 200-300 pages long and still be extremely brilliant in covering all the basic ideas. this is the brilliance of the human mind.

HOWEVER, I DO NOT ADVOCATE NEW PIECES. I THINK FISCHERANDOM DOES A VERY GOOD JOB AT SOLVING THIS PROBLEM OF THEORITIZATION OF CHESS.

You bring up an excellent point!

" A guesstimate is that the maximum logical possible positions are somewhere in the region of +-140,100,033, including trans-positional positions, giving the approximation of 4,670,033 maximum logical possible games, thus making chess very playable. "

If you could memorize all that I would be impressed. Keep in mind your opponent isn't always going to be well versed in the theory as you. They may make a random move even if it is not best to get you out of theory. You need to know what to do in these cases. Memorization is very unrealistic if possible.

In the first few moves we don't exchange a queen for a knight.  But later...

And yes, you can cover all the basic idea of a narrow theme (like a particular variation) in a book but those are just basic ideas.  The game (and even the variation itself) are never mastered.  That's why people continue to become professionals.  You could spend 3 lifetimes on the endgame alone and never master it.  To hear some amateurs talk about how chess is more or less solved is hilarious.  It doesn't deserve even one comment, but here's my one comment anyway.

that number seems much more realistic.

however, i think that fischer random solves many of these issues and is always an exciting game mainly because it helps us in discovering the game much as morphy or steinitz had decoded classical chess in the 19th century. also, endgames arising from fischerrandom tend to have an interesting character. not to say that classical chess has lost ANY of its charm. in fact, the reason why i play chess is because i firmly believe that it is possible to improve at chess. and the reason why it is possible to improve at chess is because there is so much literature about how to do it.

http://www.omegachess.com/home.html?action=comparisons#undefined

Apart from the whole thing being a huge joke (summary of all their arguments : some people know how to play chess, thus the game is boring, while everyone that ever played omega chess is clueless), if I read correctly flaw #5, 10% are considered a majority.

As for OP's first post : Even the world champion retired from chess cause after beating everyone, he found no interest in chess anymore... 

This is only true for Fischer, who was, err, insane. (This is calling a swarm of trolls on me, but it's the truth).  The current WC is alive and kicking...

Hilarious! You're rated 1067 in turn-based chess! It's like me saying the Germans need a new language because the language they use has all been said before, even though I don't know how to speak german.

Not quite.

The real reason the Germans do need another language is because they know how to speak it well and you do not.

P.S. Stock market needs other rules. I want money.

Why should we be blocked from posting an opinion?

Actually, I think your statement agreed with mine. If Grischuk says what the OP said then I would find that much more compelling than someone rated 1100 saying it.

I agree with u to some extent but not completely.

Chess is a game of lot of excitement. Imagine that u are playing a OTB game and u see a way to mate. Just see ur level of excitement in u at that moment or when a game is full of tactics and ur opponent played a wrong move and how excited u feel. That's the reason why I love playing in OTBs.

Chess can never be dull. There is always some planning to do in chess.

Well I specialize in Japanese chess as opposed to Western/International chess, but I don't think my rating makes a difference, since I could just say this again if I get a higher rating. You could even say that to Simplified Chinese, since it was created because Traditional Chinese was getting old. But this is not the point.

But I do think that the Fischer Random Chess thing would solve this problem, but it hasn't been as well recognized as Chess it seems...

About Omega Chess, yes, to a certain extent, you are right. It's because few people have analyzed it that people could "have fun" before they over-analyze it, but at least we'll "have fun" for a little while. I think that was their philosophy behind it. But I'm not really here to talk about Omega Chess, just the way people "recite" openings.

But fischer random is a much better way to meet this problem for two reasons.

1.It doesnt have ridiculous pieces such as the wizard and champion.

2.It doesnt suck.

I thought we already established that I'm NOT here to support Omega Chess... I mentioned it in the post right before yours...