Chess is not about intelligence

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AndyClifton

Ah, beautiful!  You have reminded me of Dark Shadows...

jiylor

Intelligence not required but surely helpful in the pursuit of.

motherinlaw
jiylor wrote:

Intelligence not required but surely helpful in the pursuit of.

... "in the pursuit of ....." ???

TitanCG

trivia

DrCheckevertim

You can be very intelligent and have a low chessy factor.

On the other hand, your chesselligence may be high, while general intelligence = not so much.

Trust me, I am a chessologist.

motherinlaw
DrCheckevertim wrote:

You can be very intelligent and have a low chessy factor.

On the other hand, your chesselligence may be high, while general intelligence = not so much.

Trust me, I am a chessologist.

You sound trustworthy.  But how can I be sure?  And what if I publish something using your Trademarked word "chesselligence?"  Will you want royalties?

netzach

I see. That explains it. "Chesselligence..."

motherinlaw

Oh, good! -- I just noticed "chessologist" is Not "Trademarked," so I'll be using that a whole lot from now on. Cool

netzach

Maybe it's patented! Smile

motherinlaw
netzach wrote:

Maybe it's patented! 

Oh, those damn patent attorneys -- they ruin Everything for All of us!

netzach

Trust nobody.

Cynical but safe. 

DrCheckevertim

You may use my trademarked words, but only if you type (word trademarked by DrCheckevertim) next to the words whenever you use them.

Coder_On_Ster01ds

Chess is not about intelligence? To some degree. Chess is about logic. Logic is an important part of intelligence. As such, most smart people can play chess better than average. But playing chess great is about genius, which means creative intelligence. Thinking alone is not enough, sometimes to find the best move you have to be creative and then judge your solution. As such, most geniuses play chess good (or can if they wanted to). I think it also means in order to play great chess, at super GM level, you have to be a genius.

DrCheckevertim

You don't need a high creative intelligence to be good at chess.

It's much more about spacial intelligence and memory.

Playing chess great is not about "genius."

A true "genius" (although the term is greatly overused) could play chess well, if s/he completely dedicated him/herself to it -- but a true genius could do anything well if they dedicated themselves to it. 

Coder_On_Ster01ds

To be "good" and to be "great" are two very distinct terms. I laid that out in my post. Also, spacial intelligence and memory are parts what make intelligence as a whole. Having a great spacial intelligence, memory, creativity etc. mean that you most likely are a genius.

Genius means about 1/1000th of the population, so there should be more than 7 million geniuses worldwide.  It is not that rare actually. I wouldn't say it is overused.

InceptSean

Neither do IQ tests, we will never have a definition for intelligence.  Until the day we turn people into a computer and can monitor every characteristic of a person.

DrCheckevertim
Coder_On_Ster01ds wrote:

To be "good" and to be "great" are two very distinct terms. I laid that out in my post. Also, spacial intelligence and memory are parts what make intelligence as a whole. Having a great spacial intelligence, memory, creativity etc. mean that you most likely are a genius.

Genius means about 1/1000th of the population, so there should be more than 7 million geniuses worldwide.  It is not that rare actually. I wouldn't say it is overused.

I will disagree with you again.

You do not need to be a genius to even be a superGM, nor do you need an abundance of creative intelligence. Do you honestly believe all superGMs are very creative people? I sure don't. Having an abundance of creativity honestly isn't that important in chess, in fact I'd say it can often be a detrement.

 

Genius is not 1/1000th of the population. Not even close. A real genius is born maybe once every 100 years. You can be extremely intelligent or talented, it doesn't mean you are a genius. You can be a visionary -- doesn't mean you are a genius. For example, Carlsen has said himself that he is not a genius, despite that he is one of the greatest chess players of all time. Rather, he has a massive intelligence in one or more very specific areas (spacial intelligence and recall), plus a lot of training and experience.

 

Hah, I will bet that your average artist has more creativity than most super GMs.

And you know who else is creative? Basically every kid below a certain age.

I don't think that would benefit them in chess.

cheapendgametricks

Chess is not about intelligence

So then some super grandmasters must be below average intelligence.  Who is it then?

motherinlaw

DrCheck:

"A true "genius" (although the term is greatly overused) could play chess well, if s/he completely dedicated him/herself to it -- but a true genius could do anything well if they dedicated themselves to it." 

Thank you.  I've gone so long without recognition.