Chess perspective for an high school dropout

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bean_Fischer
TheGambitKing wrote:
bean_Fischer wrote:

Even better if I ask you which one will you choose: go to Korea to study, or US? I know your answer is Korea.

In general, Canada is a much better place to live than the United States at the moment. Of course, one's friends and acquaintances are what keep one at a certain place for a long time, and for this reason, I felt sorry for him.

Agree. Any place is better than the US. US is for the riches and haves.

falcogrine

My random thoughts of the day about the US and education are:

-I'm pretty sure that, objectively, China and Finland(or somewhere close, I'm too lazy to look it up) have the best education systems in the world.

-The US used to be really good. But we've been slipping a lot in recent decades. (True for just about any area, education or otherwise) Sad or amusing? I haven't made up my mind yet.

-I honestly don't know anything about Canada's school system. I'm still too lazy to look it up though, so it's my own fault.

macer75
falcogrine wrote:

My random thoughts of the day about the US and education are:

-I'm pretty sure that, objectively, China and Finland(or somewhere close, I'm too lazy to look it up) have the best education systems in the world.

-The US used to be really good. But we've been slipping a lot in recent decades. (True for just about any area, education or otherwise) Sad or amusing? I haven't made up my mind yet.

-I honestly don't know anything about Canada's school system. I'm still too lazy to look it up though, so it's my own fault.

if by "objectively," you mean higher test scores, then yes, I agree.

macer75

Just look at how many Chinese kids each year come to the US each year for our education, and try to remember when was the last time you heard about an American kid who went to China because his family thought the education there was better.

macer75

First-hand experience is very much biased. But if we consider first-hand experience to be authoritative, then I went to school in China for 6 years, and I can tell you pretty much anything about the Chinese school system that you want to know. And the first thing I'll say is, it sucks, and everybody in China knows it.

macer75

O, and btw, regarding the supposed "close-mindedness" of Americans, I will say this: if this discussion were taking place on a Chinese website, it would have been deleted long ago.

bean_Fischer
TheGambitKing wrote:
bean_Fischer wrote:

Agree. Any place is better than the US. US is for the riches and haves.

Is your sarcasm verifiable from experience? If the U. S. is a good place for you, in your experience, that's great. I was simply sharing the experience of my friend. The problem with a U. S.-based site (and the internet in general) is the bias that exists, due to the simple fact that a lot of individuals' stories are never told, since they do not have the wealth or access to the resources that 'privileged' Americans do. The winners nearly always write history.

No, you misunderstood. I do not mean sarcasm. I mean it Any place is better than US. Pink Floyd : You don't need no education.

Dadnavy71

Things right now are "perfect", but as you age (can not escape that) invest some time in your "Plan B"

falcogrine
macer75 wrote:
falcogrine wrote lots of random stuff that took up lots of space and is now deleted:

if by "objectively," you mean higher test scores, then yes, I agree.

That is what I mean, yes.

 

gambitking, wikipedia is enirely trustworthy! Just like the rest of the internet, if someone wrote it, it must be trueTongue Out What I do is try and read everything I can, and find stuff that everyone agrees on. For example, Canada has a public school system. Even then, it could be a lie, but it is not that important (to me) and doesn't affect me, so I accept that it could be true.

Being a sheep is bad, I try my best not to be one. Unfortunately, most people in America are sheep, further adding to the list of things I don't like about the US (the government, the education system, the people in the government [especially the ones that should be institutionalized], the idiotic public, the list goes on and on). And, yes, I do know that the US is better than many other places, but the US is far from perfect.

English is a prevalent language, and both England and the US used to be major world powers, so it is a widely studied language. And we have lots of nukes and try to police the world, so our language tends to spread.

bean_Fischer

US University education is still the best in the world with the best facilities and the best educators. I have no doubt about that.

bean_Fischer
TheGambitKing wrote:
macer75 wrote:

First-hand experience is very much biased. But if we consider first-hand experience to be authoritative, then I went to school in China for 6 years, and I can tell you pretty much anything about the Chinese school system that you want to know. And the first thing I'll say is, it sucks, and everybody in China knows it.

All that being said, even if the educational system 'sucks', at least you have children who are mostly knowledgable in basic math and science techniques out of school. From my experience tutoring in the U. S., this doesn't seem to be the case over there, and it's a problem.

What you mean are math formulas, doing adding, substraction, and multiplication. At most it is about learning logarithms. And maybe some statistics.

falcogrine
TheGambitKing wrote:

Most of the students I tutored were not able to understand basic trigonometry and calculus without a lot of help--which is fine, because I was glad to have a job. Likewise, the students doing the tutoring were often not Americans.

what grade? college, high school, important difference:)

guitarzan

huriko896 -

Do you keep a chess board around somewhere in the restaurant? Maybe it would be a good way to meet new people, perhaps a famous player who comes in to eat?

I wouldn't worry to much about dropping out of high school. You've probably already learned that hard work and perseverance, virtue and character, are the vital elements you need for success. Best of luck to you!

waffllemaster

You seem to be a big fan of picking sides.

Irontiger
TheGambitKing wrote:

Quit joking, sir. The actual objective statistics measuring the effectiveness of education (achievement tests, academic/technical ability, especially in the sciences) repeatedly show that the United States has fallen miles behind many countries, especially those in Asia, in this area.

I would enjoy to see those statistics performed on a random Chinese teenager vs. a random American teenager. I'm betting all you want on the American ; if you really take a random choice, odds are you will find a farmer's son in Xinjiang vs. a New Yorker.

If you make kids from top-notch Hong-Kong school compete with the average American, no wonder they score better.

 

I am not saying that the American, or British, or French, or Belgian school system is faultless, but saying China's suddenly got much better is just laughable.

falcogrine
TheGambitKing wrote:
falcogrine wrote:

what grade? college, high school, important difference:)

This was at a university. It's well known that the Eastern methods (abacus, Vedic maths, even our numeral system is 'Arabic') are superior when it comes to the maths. I wish I had been able to learn it there, rather than in the U. K. and the U. S.

at a university? Now I'm depressed.

calze6

go back to school

waffllemaster
falcogrine wrote:
TheGambitKing wrote:
falcogrine wrote:

what grade? college, high school, important difference:)

This was at a university. It's well known that the Eastern methods (abacus, Vedic maths, even our numeral system is 'Arabic') are superior when it comes to the maths. I wish I had been able to learn it there, rather than in the U. K. and the U. S.

at a university? Now I'm depressed.

Depressed that the students seeking tutoring are the ones having trouble understanding?  Isn't it obvious that this is necessarily true?

falcogrine

depressed that university students have trouble with basic math.

Argonaut13
macer75 wrote:
FrenchTutor wrote:

Level of education is completely irrelevant in chess.  Don't be too proud of yourself because you play a board game.

lol... After reading the first sentence I thought u were gonna say something encouraging afterwards...

lol mmeeaann