Chess.com is becoming Bad

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Darth_Doom
RG1951 wrote:
Darth_Doom wrote:
RG1951 wrote:

        If you don't think you can win and might lose on time, but repetition is happening and your opponent is premoving, claim the draw, It's simple! Trying to win on time is perfectly legitimate.

 

Playing to win on time by premoving is cheating... plain and simple.

        "Cheating" is breaking the rules. Trying to win on time is not breaking the rules. Therefore it is not cheating. Your claim is illogical....plain and simple.

 

If a player uses premoves to win on time or to seek a draw, then that's obviously cheating.  It's similar to grabbing the timer in a chess tournament and making the clock move extremely slow for you while it moves at its regular speed for your opponent.  

Let's be honest here..  everyone knows that if you use premoving to win a game on time or to take a game to a draw, you are pathetic.  It means that you could not do it on your own and needed to use an online cheat.  

Have you ever played online games where guys use lag to affect games or to gain an advantage.  It's the same principle.  You're doing something that you know is not a part of the game itself and you're trying to use it to your advantage..  it's what is known as an online cheat.  

Darth_Doom

Take for instance if you play online poker and some stupid site allows some players to take an extra card, but the rules of Texas Hold Em don't allow it.  You being the person that you are would take the extra card and claim that it's not cheating because the stupid site allows you another card.  

Everyone watching you would say that you cheated by taking an extra card because that's not how the game works.  You on the other hand would find every reason to pursued yourself into believing that it's alright.  

Why don't you open your eyes and acknowledge that cheating includes using unfair advantages when you know it's not really part of the game.  

RG1951

        If premoving is permitted, then it cannot be regarded as cheating. Time management is part of chess and if you lose on time, then obviously you have not managed your time well enough. Also, if I understand it correctly, premoving comes with risks. Supposing the other player makes a move that is not expected and for which the premove is wrong? Surely this could lose the game.

I_Am_Second
Darth_Doom wrote:
RG1951 wrote:
Darth_Doom wrote:
RG1951 wrote:

        If you don't think you can win and might lose on time, but repetition is happening and your opponent is premoving, claim the draw, It's simple! Trying to win on time is perfectly legitimate.

 

Playing to win on time by premoving is cheating... plain and simple.

        "Cheating" is breaking the rules. Trying to win on time is not breaking the rules. Therefore it is not cheating. Your claim is illogical....plain and simple.

 

If a player uses premoves to win on time or to seek a draw, then that's obviously cheating.  It's similar to grabbing the timer in a chess tournament and making the clock move extremely slow for you while it moves at its regular speed for your opponent.  

Let's be honest here..  everyone knows that if you use premoving to win a game on time or to take a game to a draw, you are pathetic.  It means that you could not do it on your own and needed to use an online cheat.  

Have you ever played online games where guys use lag to affect games or to gain an advantage.  It's the same principle.  You're doing something that you know is not a part of the game itself and you're trying to use it to your advantage..  it's what is known as an online cheat.  

 

darth doom...obviosuly you are a "rabbble rouser" judging by your posts, you like to stir the pot.  Thats fine...there are plenty here that do the same thing.  But to say pre-move is cheating is incorrect.  You have a choice to not allow pre-move, its up to you.

Darth_Doom
I_Am_Second wrote:
Darth_Doom wrote:
RG1951 wrote:
Darth_Doom wrote:
RG1951 wrote:

        If you don't think you can win and might lose on time, but repetition is happening and your opponent is premoving, claim the draw, It's simple! Trying to win on time is perfectly legitimate.

 

Playing to win on time by premoving is cheating... plain and simple.

        "Cheating" is breaking the rules. Trying to win on time is not breaking the rules. Therefore it is not cheating. Your claim is illogical....plain and simple.

 

If a player uses premoves to win on time or to seek a draw, then that's obviously cheating.  It's similar to grabbing the timer in a chess tournament and making the clock move extremely slow for you while it moves at its regular speed for your opponent.  

Let's be honest here..  everyone knows that if you use premoving to win a game on time or to take a game to a draw, you are pathetic.  It means that you could not do it on your own and needed to use an online cheat.  

Have you ever played online games where guys use lag to affect games or to gain an advantage.  It's the same principle.  You're doing something that you know is not a part of the game itself and you're trying to use it to your advantage..  it's what is known as an online cheat.  

 

darth doom...obviosuly you are a "rabbble rouser" judging by your posts, you like to stir the pot.  Thats fine...there are plenty here that do the same thing.  But to say pre-move is cheating is incorrect.  You have a choice to not allow pre-move, its up to you.

 

No.   Players do not have any control over whether their opponents will use premoving.  

It is widely known online that premoving is cheating.  Some like to pretend that it is "allowed" but the fact remains that most of the players using premoves are (1) incapable of winning games without premoving (2) premove to get draws in games that they should lose on time and (3) use premoving as a crutch when their time is running out.  

You're not fooling anyone by pretending that premoving accomplish exactly what a cheat accomplishes in any other form of online gaming.  it gives an unfair advantage to the player using it in comparison to those who are simply playing the game as it should be played.  

My assessment of premoving is accurate.  It is unquestionably a form of cheating.

Ronnee

Gee I grumble and complain when i suspect sabotage or cheating because it is unfair play, no sportmanship no clever tactics. it aborts the game. However 3 repeated checks from the SAME position should  result in a 0-0 end result. Chess brings out the PERSONALITY of the player. Its like the game of life...you dont give up on life mate.....?.

chesskingdreamer
Darth_Doom wrote:
rajnikant001 wrote:

branding premove as cheating option is bit wrong. whenever i am playing games in live chess, i usually suffer from a lag in the range of about-- " 900-1500" ms. sometimes, the lag is even worse .now, if i make a move in one sec, due to lag,it looks like i have taken 2 sec which is injustice to me. but if i use premove ,it  nullifies the  lag in my case . hence for me, premoving is boon.

but i totally agree with you on the part where players were premoving a drawn position just to get a "timed" victory.

 

Yes.  I agree...  if you are using pre-moves to level the playing field due to a lag in your connection that sort of makes sense.  However, most cheaters will begin premoving when there is less than 30 seconds remaining in order to get timed victories or even timed draws.  That's cheating plain and simple.  It happens a lot on chess.com and the feature is being abused to "cheat" in matches where there is no possibility of winning fairly.

If you think that 30 seconds is not enough time to checkmate an opponent, than clearly you haven't played enough bullet. But what if you had 5 seconds? How would you win if you were a queen up. Look down for the answer.

 

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That's right. You premove. End of story.

Darth_Doom
chesskingdreamer wrote:
Darth_Doom wrote:
rajnikant001 wrote:

branding premove as cheating option is bit wrong. whenever i am playing games in live chess, i usually suffer from a lag in the range of about-- " 900-1500" ms. sometimes, the lag is even worse .now, if i make a move in one sec, due to lag,it looks like i have taken 2 sec which is injustice to me. but if i use premove ,it  nullifies the  lag in my case . hence for me, premoving is boon.

but i totally agree with you on the part where players were premoving a drawn position just to get a "timed" victory.

 

Yes.  I agree...  if you are using pre-moves to level the playing field due to a lag in your connection that sort of makes sense.  However, most cheaters will begin premoving when there is less than 30 seconds remaining in order to get timed victories or even timed draws.  That's cheating plain and simple.  It happens a lot on chess.com and the feature is being abused to "cheat" in matches where there is no possibility of winning fairly.

If you think that 30 seconds is not enough time to checkmate an opponent, than clearly you haven't played enough bullet. But what if you had 5 seconds? How would you win if you were a queen up. Look down for the answer.

 

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That's right. You CHEAT. End of story.

 

Spoken like a true troll.

Ironator44

*sigh* there's always these players that spam "draw" for you to get distracted and lose on time. i think there should be a cooldown for the "draw" button so nobody abuses it.

Exavier-Covert-123

Now I must admit chess.com can suck at times. But hey some other sites could be worst. 

Exavier-Covert-123

Its just the online world, some people can be really nasty. 

Exavier-Covert-123
saculnomekop wrote:
Why’d you bump it?

Define bump it

Thomasbacon

Wow, is this guy serious? Since when he is the king of the rules? You are playing a game in a closed setting, einstein. If an action is outside the rules, you don't get to execute it - try to move a knight as if it was a bishop and see if the game let you do it..... boy, the fellow come to play a BLITZ - a game where time is of ultimate importance and whine about losing on time -- and people still humor him.

hitthepin
Classic example. A guy doesn’t like something, and instead of proposing how to fix it, or leaving the site, he complains about it.
hitthepin
cottonsock wrote:
In case you are unaware of it , this thread is four years old 😤

I know.

Thomasbacon

but then....have you been waiting for this moment all this time? happy.png

upallKnightman

Darth_Doom wrote:

Has anyone else noticed that Chess.com is becoming filled with a bunch of very, very bad chess players?

Think about it for a second. 

  1. Lack of Sportsmanship
  2. Time victory cheaters
  3. Premoving
  4. Win at all costs bad people
  5. Lack of Common courtesy

Is this really what chess is supposed to be about?

In timed chess, players on chess.com often don't even play to win by achieving a checkmate.  They move around the board and use premoves to work towards timed victories even though they cannot possibly win.  I even watched a tournament game where one player checked the other 30 times in repetition in the same two squares over and over again.  Rather than offer a draw or even receiving credit for a draw, the other opponent used his premoving feature and won on time with less than 5 seconds remaining on his clock.  That was pathetic.  It was one of the most horrible games to watch and the player from Russia was proud of the fact that he received credit for a "timed victory" even though the game was clearly a draw.  It could not possibly be a timed victory in real life especially with only his 5 seconds remaining to his opponents 1:01 seconds.  It was very very bad and the game play of that Russian made my stomach turn in disgust.  That Russian player didn't even end up winning the tournament which I came in second place after defeating a bunch of wimps and losing to another player because he used premoves and moved around the board aimlessly.

Why would this chess site continue to allow people to do this in timed chess matches that supposedly count towards ratings?  How could this be just?  How is this not something that all decent chess players would be against?

I understand that there must be difficulties in running a chess site, but to promote cheating online is very very bad and it actually is a disservice to the game of chess.  It is not fair competition and there is nothing good about what is happening here.  or should I say what is being allowed to happen under the guise of what is considered "allowed".  In fact, the site even provides for it knowing full well that it is creating bad chess players.

If you were to do that to anyone who you know personally, then that person would not have a good opinion of you as a chess player.  There is chess etiquette I believe but it really seems lacking here.  

Isn't that something that is wrong?  Isn't that something that all good chess players should stand against?  

I have been told by such cheaters that I should not play 3/0 chess or blitz matches, but the fact is that they should not be playing blitz matches if they have to cheat to win.  It is a problem that is very prevalent here and no one with the power to do something about it really seems interested in doing the right thing which would be to get rid of such cheating!  

This is simply not right.  Perhaps I am the only one to say this on this site, but I had to say it because what is happening here is very very bad. 

I tend to agree with your assessment... my best advice: move to Lichess.org they seem to be the online chess site of honorable mention these days.

upallKnightman

 

I choose Lichess over this site 9 out of 10 times!

 

upallKnightman
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Roboram12

I agree. chess.com is becoming trash and is filled with cheaters. Also chess.com does not have any antiviruses or security engines to check if the opponent is using an engine. Trash site i must say

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